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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
Our three condo sub-associations asked our master association board to change the parking restrictions for the guest parking spots in their area. The master owns the roads and the parking spots on the road around their condos. They have had an ongoing problem with a few residents getting permits to park "overflow" cars in the guest parking spots long-term.

Tonight, as we were discussing the changes, one of the condo residents (the main offender) became very upset that we will only allow him to park in the guest parking for 72 hours per month with the new rules. He has a condo with a single-car garage and space for two additional vehicles in his driveway. He uses his garage for storage and parks his two cars in the driveway. In addition, he has a van that is handicap accessible that his wife inherited from her dad. That is the vehicle he parks long-term in the guest parking. He uses the van occasionally to drive his mother and mother-in-law to medical appointments. Both of the mothers live in care facilities, so there is actually no one with a disability living in his home. The van is licensed to him but he has two handicap hang-tags, one for each mother, that he uses to park in handicap spaces.

He read a statement tonight that the ADA required us to make a reasonable accommodation for parking of his van because he uses it to transport disabled adults and he has a handicap parking tag for it. When that argument didn't go anywhere, he says now he will park permanently in the handicap spaces at our clubhouse since he has a legal hang tag.

We tried to explain to him that a reasonable accommodation was to use his driveway or his garage. We also feel that since no one in the household is disabled, he doesn't really have an argument for parking full time in the handicap spot using a hang tag for someone who isn't physically in the community.

The two care facilities will not allow him to park the van in their parking lots because it doesn't belong to either of them and they don't drive - it's licensed to his wife.

He threatened to put in a HUD complaint saying we were discriminating against him. I know he doesn't have a real argument but does anyone see any pitfalls of us enforcing our parking rules on his accessible van? And not allowing him to park it permanently in the handicap spaces?

Thanks for any insights.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
LoriM15,

By my reading on the net, the handicapped placard (a "hang tag" et cetera denoting a permit) is assigned to a disabled person, not a vehicle. To use the handicapped placard, the person to whom the placard is assigned must be traveling in the vehicle. Handicapped placards/permits et cetera are not to be loaned to family members.

From all you wrote, I believe this reality should be the basis for not responding to his threats and enforcing your parking rules.

Many people make HUD complaints with an obviously insufficient basis in the law. HUD may not let any complaint this guy makes get very far at all. First and foremost, because he personally is not being discriminated against because he is disabled. In HUD lingo, this means he is not an "aggrieved person" and has zero standing to submit a complaint like the one you describe.

I do advise letting your attorney know immediately. Also make sure your parking does meet city and state requirements for disability parking. These requirements can be quite exacting. I have no doubt this guy will go after you all if your parking spaces do not meet city and state requirements. Better to deal with this (if needed) now rather than later.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/21/2022 6:57 PM

From all you wrote, I believe this reality should be the basis for not responding to his threats and enforcing your parking rules.
I meant: (1) the Board should not respond to his threats; and (2) the Board should enforce the parking rules.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I agree with Augustine on this. Don't go running scared when you hear words like this. They are trying to make you bend to them instead of them bend to the rules.

Your response should be "Will wait on the paperwork. Thank you". If there is a valid complaint they would most likely just say here is the changes you need to make and the time line to do it. How bad is that?

We just had a poster here post they filed a false report. The HOA was found not at fault or guilty. It seems that HOA paid a lot legal fees in response. So be careful on doing this. It may not be necessary as it may be as simple as the President talking to a HUD rep. Plus this person the HOA wanted to collect their legal fees. This may be something that has to enter your HOA radar. Understand who will be responsible for these legal costs before incurring them.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
You may want to run this past the association attorney just to be sure - because it's easy to get this stuff wrong and the penalties can be stiff - but I agree with the others that your resident is probably not entitled to an accommodation since he personally is not handicapped.

In addition, accommodations must be "reasonable". I think it's generally considered reasonable to require residents to use the parking spaces they have available to them first before they can use common area space as well. If they choose not to use their spaces for some reason (eg. using the garage as a storage area or not wanting to use the driveway because it means shuffling vehicles around), then that's their problem - it doesn't become an association problem. (This last comment was from our attorney when we were revising our parking restriction.)

But I recommend that you get your HOA attorney's blessing on this, because we're not lawyers and Fair Housing/ADA violations can be painful. In addition, if you can respond to your resident with a lawyer's opinion, he's less likely to push back.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
Lori,

What Augustin said. And. You are not discriminating against him. He is not disabled. His hanging a tag not in his name and walking home in your HOA is no different than an able bodied person doing it to park closer in a store parking lot. The hang tag should only be used when the disabled person is entering and exiting the vehicle parked in a handicapped spot.

He has chosen to use his garage for storage knowing what the parking rules are.

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/22/2022 3:39 AM
We just had a poster here post they filed a false report.
This is a blatant, disgusting lie. HUD dismissed the complaint. This does not mean anything in the report was false. Typically it means that HUD cannot prove the claims in the complaint or the claims do not rise to a level where HUD is willing to take action.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
LoriM15, be aware that Florida statues say this owner may very well be committing a misdemeanor as follows:

FS 320.0848

(7)
Any person who fraudulently obtains or unlawfully displays a disabled parking permit that belongs to another person while occupying a disabled parking space or an access aisle as defined in s. 553.5041 while the owner of the permit is not being transported in the vehicle or who uses an unauthorized replica of such a disabled parking permit with the intent to deceive is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

(8) 
A law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist may confiscate the disabled parking permit from any person who fraudulently obtains or unlawfully uses such a permit. A law enforcement officer or a parking enforcement specialist may confiscate any disabled parking permit that is expired, reported as lost or stolen, or defaced or that does not display a personal identification number.
(a) The permit number of each confiscated permit must be submitted to the department, and the fact that the permit has been confiscated must be noted on the permitholder’s record. If two permits issued to the same person have been confiscated, the department shall refer the information to the central abuse hotline of the Department of Children and Families for an investigation of potential abuse, neglect, or exploitation of the permit owner.


Violations are punishable be prison up to 60 days and a fine of up to $500.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
How to report disabled parking permit abuse in Florida:

https://services.flhsmv.gov/parkingpermitabuse/ (download the form at the site; it's interesting)

I sure do not appreciate folks who are illegally using a parking space for disabled person. What if a disabled person comes along and cannot park because this owner's van is parked in the space (and without his mother or mother-in-law present et cetera)?
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
We have an off-duty county sheriff who patrols the community a few times a week, mostly because we have a privately owned road that is used as a cut through and we get a lot of speeders. We can get him to ticket the guy if he parks in the handicap space.

Update: apparently the unit owner is very unhappy with our decision because today parked the van on the street corner near one of the main entrances. Street parking is allowed during the day, but he's blocking the street and making it unsafe for people turning off the main road onto the side street. It is not close to his unit. We gave him 30 minutes to move or the sheriff will be called.

Between this guy and the parking rules and the group of residents who want additional stop signs to make a four-way stop that isn't necessary, I feel like an urban planner or traffic engineer. I didn't sign up for this.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
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Posted By LoriM15 on 02/22/2022 10:59 AM
...snip...

I didn't sign up for this.

... said by nearly every board member at some point. A former PM of ours referred to it as adult daycare, and the "adult" part was questionable.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Something not to ignore, you mentioned this guy was parking a handicapped equipped van on common property that he uses to transport handicapped people?
Isn't that considered a commercial vehicle? My experience in driving a handicapped equipped vehicle extended the use of a handicapped parking space only while hired for said trip, not to use a handicapped
parking spot as a personal parking space.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
As I understand it, it is a Handicap Placard, not a Handicap license plate. The Placard follows the person. I the Placard holder is not in the vehicle, the Placard means nothing. Call the police for misuse of a Handicap Placard.

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