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MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
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Something I thought might be useful for our association members is an easily referred-to list of decisions made by the board so that those that can't or won't review the minutes can easily see the decisions made affecting their community.

I'm thinking that it would include at least the results of decisions/motions and when directory or officer changeover happens using simplified language.

It might look something like:

For further information on any of the following, refer to the meeting minutes for the date shown.

2019/01/01 - First homeowner board selected.
2019/01/15 - Board meeting
Bob's Uncle selected as Chair/President
Virginia Moneypants selected as Treasurer
Fred McNoteTaker selected as Secretary
First City Awesome Bank chosen for the HOA accounts
2019/02/15 - Board meeting - no business conducted as quorum was not present
2019/02/28 - Fred McNoteTaker resigned from the board
2019/03/15 - Board meeting
Blah McBlahdeblah selected to fill open board seat
...
and so on.

I'm sure some will respond "they should just read the d**n minutes" and while I might agree to some extent, once you've got a few year's minutes to wade through, many people will just stop even trying. Having a concise history like this would be helpful to more than just the lazy as not everyone will remember when particular decisions were made.

tl;dr:
Is a decision/event like like my example above, a *bad* idea. If yes, why?

BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
I think it's a great idea.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
Looking at our December meeting minutes:

1) We made 5 decisions after discussing items in executive session
2) Approved 1 ACC request
3) Approved 8 vendor bids
4) Discussed but took no action on 5 additional items

So the log that you are suggesting would contain 14 line items of decisions that were made. If you included items that were tabled, it'd contain 19 line items.

Our meeting minutes for this meeting are 4 pages long. Each topic is bolded and it literally takes less than a minute to understand what discussed during the meeting.

I think what you are proposing is fine if someone on the Board is willing to maintain the log, publish it to your website, and keep it accurate. I don't think it is required for your Board to function, and if your Board is like most, you'll spend all of your volunteer hours doing those things that you "have to" and time available to "nice to have" things is minimal.

I'd focus your time on writing the best meeting minutes rather than trying to maintain two types of documents that cover the same thing.
MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
well, it's a bit like an index. They're a pain to produce after the fact but if maintained as the work body is produced, it doesn't add much work.

I'll probably just create it for my own use and let others be amazed at how easily I can recall when X decision was made.

Related, We've been leaning toward minimal minutes based and I'm curious how often the non-decision items, Item 4 in your list turn out to be a good thing in the minutes vs things that end up biting you in the butt.

We're a very small HOA so our minutes often only run a page, two at most.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Henry said.

It's not a bad idea, but even with a log, there's no guarantee people will read it either. If your minutes are relatively simple to begin with, there's no point in making more work for yourself. ACR approvals or denials should be in each owner's file kept by the association anyway.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
SheliaH: Yeah, there will always be people who are too busy to read three sentences.
Don't get me started on those that only reply to the first question in a multi-question email.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
I advise against this. An event log may be inaccurate. Even an event log with a disclaimer on it such as "Please read the Minutes to get confirmation of this event log" is dangerous. Why? Because what if the event log accidentally fails to include a certain vote? Jane Smith goes to the event log to see when a certain vote took place, and the event log does not list it. Jane then thinks the vote never took place. But the Minutes actually do show the vote took place.

The Minutes are a lawful record of the (hopefully) lawful votes a Board takes on motions. The wording of the motions is important. People looking for what a Board did should do their own review of the Minutes.

MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
Yeah, the more input I receive and time I have to think about it, the more I'm leaning more toward "it's just not worth it."

I'll make an index for my own use and likely leave it at that.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
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Posted By MichaelH34 on 02/21/2022 8:33 AM
SheliaH: Yeah, there will always be people who are too busy to read three sentences.
Don't get me started on those that only reply to the first question in a multi-question email.



Yup - sometimes less than that! Ever since I've lived in a HOA, it continues to amaze me that people spend more time and money on grocery lists or their vacation plans than on the roof over their heads. When you live in a HOA, you simply have to pay e more attention to how it's run, especially since you don't know most of your neighbors from a can of paint, to say nothing of the board.

And then they argue when something's recorded (accurately) in the minutes or the governing documents. Like my mother says, the best way to keep some people ignorant and uninformed is to hand them something in writing because they'll never read it!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Hi Michael,

The way you've articulated your events in the post are wholly adequate to reflect board actions and could be the minutes. There's no requirement to craft a narrative story or account of any board meeting, just tangible board decisions and actions are ALL that is required. I agree that wading through minutes that feature discussion topics and debate points is pointless to me as a dues payer.

Whether you want to offer a concise history of board decisions is up to you and the time you wish to personally invest but it's a great idea if you're inclined.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
You might want to to it for your own records, Michael. IMO, keeping a similar doc -- a Board Policy Log or a book of resolutions is a very good thing. A previous PM started one here a few years ago that was well maintained, but our current PM hasn't maintained it.

The reason some records should be kept is that sure, board decisions are in minutes. BUT it's hard to remember WHEN a policy (not Rule) decision was made to look it up to make sure "it" is being done correctly etc.

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