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BillD16 (Texas)
Posts: 971
Posted:
So we[1] just had our “beginning of year kickoff” meeting, took care of a lot of biz. For various reasons beyond my control[2], we ended up with a generous surplus in our accounts.

Essentially, I’m wondering if there is any common wisdom about division of money up between our Operating Fund, our Reserve Fund, and ‘investments’ (ie, laddered CDs through a CDARS program). Our approximate holdings are approximately:

Operating Fund: $200,000
Reserve Fund: $100,000
CDARS: 4 x $50,000 CDs

We have no major capital outlays scheduled for this year BUT our Reserve Study shows us paying $300,000+ over the next 8 years to keep things in repair.

Our dues are paid quarterly. Past years show us typically starting the year with about $100,000 in Operating Fund and $75,000 in Reserve Fund and $200K in CDARS.

Any thoughts or general wisdom on how to (or if) to shuffle funds around for maximum good?

I’d like to take half of the Operating Fund ($100,000) and half of the Reserve Fund ($50,000) and roll that into 3 more $50,000 CDARS. Basically, I don’t see the value of having too much cash lying around doing nothing.

Or - should we leave the Reserve Fund alone and use half of the Operating Fund for 2 $50,000 CDARS?

Or …?

My understanding is that CDARS is insured by FDIC for more than $250,000 - if I’m wrong, I’d like to know.

I was asked about other possible ways to invest HOA reserves. The thought makes me nervous - remember the S&L crisis back in the 1980s? - but are there other legal/‘safe’ options?

Thanks,

BillD

[1] I’ve been Treasurer for about 6 months. Neighborhood is ~600 single family houses w pool, playground, fences, common areas, located near Austin TX. HOA has contract with a PMC.

[2] local COVID regs led to less pool usage, lower spending on lifeguards, for one.

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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I wouldn't move the operating funds. If you have a surplus at the end of the year,you could roll some of that into reserves. Perhaps there's some sort of improvement project the board has been planning anyway - you could use some of the money and do it niw.

If the CDs are related to funding reserves, you could continue to put it in more CDs,but be careful with investments, as in buying stocks and bonds because their value can go up, down and sideways, depending on the market and the board needs to preserve the principal. There may also be tax implications because the association is supposed to be a nonprofit.

You could talk to the bank about other options for reserves - perhaps two or three to get different ideas and put some of the money there if they have better interest rates.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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I know I'm not answering any of your questions, but . . .

Definitely check state HOA law and your CC&Rs in regard to this operating surplus (i.e., your income from assessments (mostly) exceeded your expenses for the year). What you are required or permitted to do with that surplus varies by state. In some states, that surplus has to be given back to members. In others, the Board may do other things with it (e.g., deposit to reserve account, etc.).

If your generous surplus is due to less pool usage (because the HOA/state/whoever restricted pool availability/usage because of pandemic) and lower lifeguard costs, then it may be more appreciated, beneficial, and appropriate to give this money back to existing homeowners (the ones who paid into the surplus) rather than dump it into reserves for future homeowners (which may or may not include current homeowners).

Another way to think about it . . . current homeowners paid for things that didn't happen and things they could not take advantage of (pool and lifeguards). They should be entitled to that money back in my opinion and not have the HOA keep that money to feed a reserve account to a greater extent than what current homeowners are already feeding it (I'm assuming part of your member assessments is a regular contribution to the reserves based upon a reserve study). And by giving it back, I don't mean you have to write a check to everyone, but perhaps everyone's 1Q assessment can be paid (or partially paid) with it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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ND

I do not believe in refunding money when operating funds vary. This would be like a bouncing ball. Those with snow plowing needs can see the expense vary quite a bit year to year.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
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My sentiment is generally similar to ND, although I am not a fan of an assessment reduction.

In general, I believe that the assessments collected in 2021 should be spent in 2021. I recognize they are beyond your control, but I would look hard to try to see how you take the surplus from 2021 and the assessments from 2022 and do something nice in your neighborhood. Surely there is some vegetation that doesn't look so great, or lawns that might have yellow patches in them, or asphalt surfaces that need to be resealed, or the like. (This are all made up examples, of course, I don't know your community). But take a look around and see what you can spend your money on. The purpose of an HOA is to spend money on keeping the HOA-managed components looking sharp, and surely you have some decay that could use some financial investment.

Be warned that spending money takes time. I estimate that it takes 1 hour of board time for every $1000 being spent. This was true when I was newer to the board. I've gotten more efficient with my time and now it probably only takes 1 hour of my time for every $2000 spent. But it all takes Board time to spend well.
ND (PA)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 02/18/2022 9:08 AM
ND

I do not believe in refunding money when operating funds vary. This would be like a bouncing ball. Those with snow plowing needs can see the expense vary quite a bit year to year.

My overall point is that it's not up to any individual Board on how they feel or what they believe. See what state HOA law and CC&Rs say is to be done and then execute. Issues come in to play when feelings and beliefs cloud what is appropriate procedure.

There also has to be a common-sense approach to this. Carrying a little surplus from year to year is ok and likely advisable (I've heard and done an amount equivalent to 3 mos of operating expenses). If there's $32 or $3,200 leftover one year, we're not agonizing over how to split that up among homeowners. However, if there's $32,000, then that's probably more in the range of needing to examine and treat appropriately (and dumping all into reserves may or may not be appropriate . . . depends on law and CC&Rs). Much also depends on the size of the HOA . . . $32,000 may be significant or it may be peanuts.

And any properly done budget will try to account for likely variability from year to year. With your example, significant snowfall in one year is not anticipated or planned for and should see a special assessment to make up for any shortage. No snowfall will result in a large surplus that I may advocate should go back to members. However average snowfall may wind up with a small bit of surplus that should be carried into next year or a slight deficit that prior slight surplus should cover.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
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I don't agree with refunding money to homeowners at all.

Why? If faced with the option of spending more money or refunding to homeowners, I would choose to spend more money by hiring more professional services so Board activities require less of my personal time. I'm don't spend hours and hours of my personal time on Board stuff to save my neighbors $10/month in assessments. I spend hours and hours of my personal time on Board stuff to make our community a nicer place to live.

Refunding money to homeowners doesn't make our community a nicer place to live, thus, I am not a fan of spending my free time to do this.
ND (PA)
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Posted By HenryS7 on 02/18/2022 10:00 AM
I don't agree with refunding money to homeowners at all.

Why? If faced with the option of spending more money or refunding to homeowners, I would choose to spend more money by hiring more professional services so Board activities require less of my personal time. I'm don't spend hours and hours of my personal time on Board stuff to save my neighbors $10/month in assessments. I spend hours and hours of my personal time on Board stuff to make our community a nicer place to live.

Refunding money to homeowners doesn't make our community a nicer place to live, thus, I am not a fan of spending my free time to do this.

OK. That's great and totally up to you! Again, my point is that whatever you "choose" to do needs to be based upon what you are allowed, permitted, required to do by state law and CC&Rs.

You're viewing "surplus" money as extra/leftover money that HOA Boards can spend on whatever they want. While your intentions could be mostly good, you may very well be operating on the fringe or even well outside your authority to spend that money on the things you are spending it on.

Also important to keep in mind that these various projects your refer to and whatever it is you are doing to make your HOA a nicer place to live . . . if any of them are capital improvement-type projects (things that didn't previously exist or are substantially different that what existed), you are (likely improperly and inappropriately) increasing the financial burden on current and future homeowners to adequately budget reserve funding for those items. Things you are doing will need repair and replacement eventually.

Side note . . . I think I'm picking up partially on your big issue with sharing Budget vs. Actuals with your members. Your budget says one thing, and then you spend money on making your community look good (perhaps not totally budgeted for) . . . so sharing the actuals could reveal some things that you'd prefer not be seen.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
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Posted By ND on 02/18/2022 10:32 AM
Posted By HenryS7 on 02/18/2022 10:00 AM
I don't agree with refunding money to homeowners at all.

Why? If faced with the option of spending more money or refunding to homeowners, I would choose to spend more money by hiring more professional services so Board activities require less of my personal time. I'm don't spend hours and hours of my personal time on Board stuff to save my neighbors $10/month in assessments. I spend hours and hours of my personal time on Board stuff to make our community a nicer place to live.

Refunding money to homeowners doesn't make our community a nicer place to live, thus, I am not a fan of spending my free time to do this.


OK. That's great and totally up to you! Again, my point is that whatever you "choose" to do needs to be based upon what you are allowed, permitted, required to do by state law and CC&Rs.

You're viewing "surplus" money as extra/leftover money that HOA Boards can spend on whatever they want. While your intentions could be mostly good, you may very well be operating on the fringe or even well outside your authority to spend that money on the things you are spending it on.

Also important to keep in mind that these various projects your refer to and whatever it is you are doing to make your HOA a nicer place to live . . . if any of them are capital improvement-type projects (things that didn't previously exist or are substantially different that what existed), you are (likely improperly and inappropriately) increasing the financial burden on current and future homeowners to adequately budget reserve funding for those items. Things you are doing will need repair and replacement eventually.

Side note . . . I think I'm picking up partially on your big issue with sharing Budget vs. Actuals with your members. Your budget says one thing, and then you spend money on making your community look good (perhaps not totally budgeted for) . . . so sharing the actuals could reveal some things that you'd prefer not be seen.

I have no philosophical objection to sharing actuals with homeowners. It just takes work to ensure that our bookkeeper has correctly applied expenses to the right subaccount so everything looks right. It's just board volunteer hours.

With regards to what we do to make our place a nicer place to live, we look carefully at what we are doing so we do not burden future homeowners with additional maintenance expenses. Our community happens to be the right age for a major maintenance activity so we are spending pretty much all of our discrectionary operating budget on maintenance to restore our community back to how it looked when the developer first built it. We are purposefully not installing new playgrounds or other new features that will add to the reserve cost.

Also, note that in my state there is no requirement that we spend each subaccount only on the title of that subaccount. We can spend all of our assessment revenue each year on whatever the board wants as long as it complies with the CC&RS. Just because we put "Landscaping - $92,000" as one of our subaccounts doesn't mean that we can't spend $60,000 on landscaping and $30,000 on new mailboxes. The budget is a guess as to what our expenses may be and we are not beholden to spending by it throughout the year.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By ND on 02/18/2022 9:03 AM

If your generous surplus is due to less pool usage (because the HOA/state/whoever restricted pool availability/usage because of pandemic) and lower lifeguard costs, then it may be more appreciated, beneficial, and appropriate to give this money back to existing homeowners (the ones who paid into the surplus) rather than dump it into reserves for future homeowners (which may or may not include current homeowners).

Another way to think about it . . . current homeowners paid for things that didn't happen and things they could not take advantage of (pool and lifeguards). They should be entitled to that money back in my opinion and not have the HOA keep that money to feed a reserve account to a greater extent than what current homeowners are already feeding it (I'm assuming part of your member assessments is a regular contribution to the reserves based upon a reserve study). And by giving it back, I don't mean you have to write a check to everyone, but perhaps everyone's 1Q assessment can be paid (or partially paid) with it.



Nope, that's not how reserves work. Reserves help pay for repairs and replacements of the common areas that the current homeowners HAVE USED UP. If the reserves weren't enough to pay for roof replacement for example, and one of those current homeowners sold his/her home shortly before the vote came down, the new homeowner would be paying for the use of a roof he/she hadn't used yet - and that's not fair. Once the new homeowner comes in and begins paying assessments (a portion of which goes to reserves), he/she will be paying towards replacement/repair of the common areas HE/SHE uses.

With that logic, why bother buying new appliances, fences, or whatever you use up in your own home? If you buy a stove today and sell the house two years from now, you won't get the benefit of the useful life of the stove, but because it's relatively new, that can be factored in the selling price of the house, and you can recoup the purchase price.

Also, if you refunded the surplus to the homeowners, that's considered income and they'd have to declare it on their taxes. Better to go with your other option and hold assessments at the current rate for a year or two. You'd still be funding reserves, but now the surplus can be used towards operating expenses.

This is a typical argument homeowners give when they say things like "why should I pay for improvements I'll never use?" No one controls time or the future - you may think you won't be around by the time the community needs new roofs for its townhomes, for example, but time has a funny way of bringing about things you don't anticipate - like a hailstorm that damaged some of the roofs in MY townhouse community (I think it was about 12 years ago, maybe longer). To be blunt, we didn't have the money in our reserves to pay to replace them and would have had to resort to a loan and/or special assessment. Thankfully, our insurance went ahead and replaced all of the roofs since they were getting long in the tooth anyway.

Fast forward to 2022 - our reserve study last year indicated we're still far behind and now roof replacement is on the horizon. This time, we probably won't be able to depend on insurance to pay the bill and so our assessments are going up every year for the foreseeable future - and we still may end up with a special assessment or loan (maybe both - I certainly hope not)


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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It's never a bad thing to have your reserves 100% full funded, it is also never a bad thing to have your operating expenses at 4 months on hand, typically it is 3 months.
If you have that much excess, I would look at cutting monthly assessments not refunding money. As far as investments, CD's are not bad, low interest on return. Has anyone ever invested
a small portion in series EE savings bonds or T Bills?
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By BillD16 on 02/18/2022 8:10 AM

Operating Fund: $200,000
Reserve Fund: $100,000
CDARS: 4 x $50,000 CDs
I do not understand the vocabulary here.

If by "operating fund," you mean an account that acts as a kind of cushion for day-to-day operating expenses, then I think the correct name is either "operating reserve" or "contingency fund."

I am fine with "reserve fund" or "reserve account" referring to the funding, down the road for the replacement of those reserve components with a life of more than one year, all of which are considered in a reserve study. The "account" in "reserve account" means the ledger account, not the bank account holding the CDs or cash.

CDARS is a way of investing money. This 4x$50,000 of CDs: Is this part of the reserve fund?

What is the average dollar value of your monthly operational expenses? Meaning take the operational expenses for the last year and divide by 12. This will be used to suggest a figure for how much should be in the "operating reserve" (a.k.a. "contingency fund").

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