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ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
Posted:
The Board has adopted a Rule that states that monthly assessments are due by the 15th, after which a 15% penalty on the outstanding balance of the account is to be charged.

Can this penalty be automatically added to the unit's account, or must the Board hold a disciplinary hearing first?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Check your CC&Rs. Our Declaration has a section on assessments, which gives the association the right to impose a late fee as well as other penalties such as loss of use of amenities.

We assess the penalty automatically after 7 days of non-payment, and a notice is sent to the owner. Our late payers generally fall into two categories: temporary difficulties of some sort but the person wants to correct the situation, or chronic scofflaws. The notice will get a response from the first group, and we nearly always end up removing the late fee.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
I don't think any court in the land will agree that 15% per month late fee is appropriate. That is over 300% percent interest per year.

In other words, a homeowner who is 16 days late from paying a $5000 HOA bill will have to pay $5000 + $650 in late fees, which is not reasonable. And yes, we have had homeowners owe this much.
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Section B(12) says, "(12) Impose interest and late charges for the late payment of assessments,
impose returned check charges, and pursuant to division (C) of this section, impose reasonable
enforcement assessments for violations of this Declaration, the By-Laws, and the Rules of the
Association, and reasonable charges for damage to the Common Elements or other property."

Section C(1) says, "(C) (1) Prior to imposing a charge for damages or an enforcement assessment
pursuant to division (B)(12) of this section, the Board of Directors shall give the Unit Owner a
written notice that includes all of the following:..."

I read B(12) as treating the interest and late charges that may be imposed for late payment of assessments as something other than an enforcement assessment, so there's no requirement to provide a written notice and start the hearing process. Ergo, we can automatically apply the late fee to the account, and we don't even have to tell the unit owner we did so - it's their obligation to assume it's been done and to pay it.

Now, because we're nice people and want to get along with our fellow owners, I imagine we'll adopt a process that informs the owner that the charge has been added to their account, and I'm willing to provide a means for the owner to appeal, as most of us hit a rough patch or just forget once-in-a-great while. I just wanted to check that my understanding was correct so that we don't have to drag the board thru a hearing every time someone's late. Because, of course, we have a couple of chronic scofflaws, too.

Thanks.
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HenryS7 on 02/17/2022 1:00 PM
I don't think any court in the land will agree that 15% per month late fee is appropriate. That is over 300% percent interest per year.

In other words, a homeowner who is 16 days late from paying a $5000 HOA bill will have to pay $5000 + $650 in late fees, which is not reasonable. And yes, we have had homeowners owe this much.


There's a $50 cap.

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
ThomasP13 partly quoted not his Declaration but the Ohio Condominium Act, Section 5311.081 | Powers and duties of board of directors. See https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-5311.081 . Here's a fuller excerpt:

ORC 5311.081 excerpt
(B) Unless otherwise provided in the declaration, the unit owners association, through the board of directors, may exercise all powers of the association, including the power to do the following:
...
(12) Impose interest and late charges for the late payment of assessments; impose returned check charges; and, pursuant to division (C) of this section, impose reasonable enforcement assessments for violations of the declaration, the bylaws, and the rules of the unit owners association, and reasonable charges for damage to the common elements or other property;

(13) Adopt and amend rules that regulate the collection of delinquent assessments and the application of payments of delinquent assessments;
...

(C)

(1) Prior to imposing a charge for damages or an enforcement assessment pursuant to division (B)(12) of this section, the board of directors shall give the unit owner a written notice that includes all of the following:

(a) A description of the property damage or violation;

(b) The amount of the proposed charge or assessment;

(c) A statement that the owner has a right to a hearing before the board of directors to contest the proposed charge or assessment;

(d) A statement setting forth the procedures to request a hearing pursuant to division (C)(2) of this section;

(e) A reasonable date by which the unit owner must cure the violation to avoid the proposed charge or assessment.

(2)
(a) To request a hearing, the owner shall deliver a written notice to the board of directors not later than the tenth day after receiving the notice required by division (C)(1) of this section. If the owner fails to make a timely request for a hearing, the right to that hearing is waived, and the board may immediately impose a charge for damages or an enforcement assessment pursuant to division (C) of this section.

(b) If a unit owner requests a hearing, at least seven days prior to the hearing the board of directors shall provide the unit owner with a written notice that includes the date, time, and location of the hearing.

(3) The board of directors shall not levy a charge or assessment before holding any hearing requested pursuant to division (C)(2) of this section.

(4) The unit owners, through the board of directors, may allow a reasonable time to cure a violation described in division (B)(12) of this section before imposing a charge or assessment.

(5) Within thirty days following a hearing at which the board of directors imposes a charge or assessment, the unit owners association shall deliver a written notice of the charge or assessment to the unit owner.

(6) Any written notice that division (C) of this section requires shall be delivered to the unit owner or any occupant of the unit by personal delivery, by certified mail, return receipt requested, or by regular mail.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By ThomasP13 on 02/17/2022 1:04 PM

I read [Ohio Condo Act yada section] B(12) as treating the interest and late charges that may be imposed for late payment of assessments as something other than an enforcement assessment, so there's no requirement to provide a written notice and start the hearing process. Ergo, we can automatically apply the late fee to the account, and we don't even have to tell the unit owner we did so - it's their obligation to assume it's been done and to pay it.
I studied the Ohio Condo Act's sections. Unless your Declaration says otherwise, I agree interest and late charges are distinguishable from "enforcement assessment."

The only caution I have is (1) make sure your rules for late payments are properly noticed to owners; and (2) yes, if an owner, through a hearing or letter to the board, asks for some leniency and the terms of his/her payment plan are in writing and well paid out, then do so on a case by case and fair and impartial basis.

I think 15% is in the ballpark of what many CCRs nationwide specify.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 02/17/2022 1:32 PM
the terms of his/her payment plan are in writing and well paid out
I meant "well laid out".
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
Posted:
We can impose interest (I think it's 12%) and late fees. We impose a $20.00 late fee on any account that has over a $50.00 balance due at the end of the month. The 15% as interest can probably be challenged depending on your state's limitations.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I believe an association has to follow their state's Usury Laws but can add "charges" such as office expenses, trips to the post office and my time is costly, legal costs, etc.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You could apply the late fee automatically AND allow the homeowner to file an appeal. It's up to him or her to make the request and prove the money was there on time. If they don't have an excuse, pay the late fee and sin no more. If there were extraordinary circumstances, the board can always vote to waive the fee.

That said, it seems a 15% penalty might be a tad excessive, depending on how much your assessments are - why not come up with a standard fee, such as $30 (the math's easier). Save the 15% penalties for assessments that are late 45 or 60 days - that's when I think this is more appropriate.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
Posted:
"ThomasP13 partly quoted not his Declaration but the Ohio Condominium Act, Section 5311.081 | Powers and duties of board of directors. See https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-5311.081 . Here's a fuller excerpt:"

Actually, I quoted our By-Laws. It would appear the language in them is directly taken from the ORC. So much the better. Thanks for confirming my reading of it/them. I agree we need to be clear about the process, so I'm going to propose our Rule about this be amended to do that, as well as consider some of the suggestions in this thread.

Thanks.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We always had a late fee of $20 if you paid after the 15th. Our dues were $50 a month. Keep in mind there is a charge for bad checks. So keeping the late assessment close to what it costs for returned checks would recommend. Unless the HOA wants to absorb that expense.

Now in many cases late fees and interest can be used as negotiations for lifting a lien. Often times the HOA can offer a "peace offering" to remove those charges if they pay the lien off. (This includes the legal filing fees). These charges are a bit "optional". They are punitive in nature than required. So the HOA is not out of any real money because they aren't paid. They are out of real money if dues are unpaid.

Former HOA President
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
You cant exceed state law. You will have to look that up first. To get around that we send it to the lawyer if its 60 days late. because it is legal to get legal fees, whatever they might be, from the homeowner. typically its $200. and we always get it because a lien is placed and file with the state. which means you cant sell or remortgage without paying.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
once they pay a $200 fee to a lawyer for being late, they are never late again

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