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DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
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Our committee charters say that anyone behind on their association fees, or with an outstanding violation, is not eligible to sit on a committee. We have a committee member who is almost a year behind on association fees, and her case has been given to our attorney for collection. My question is, how to you inform the committee that a member is being removed? It seems to be a bit of an ethical problem to inform other committee members that one of them has a violation of some kind.

Has anyone here dealt with this? It feels like a sensitive issue.

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By DavidG45 on 02/16/2022 1:43 PM
how [d]o you inform the committee that a member is being removed?


Dear Committee members,

Effective today, February 16, John Smith is no longer on the committee. The reasons are confidential.

Thank you for your service,

Board of Directors

I agree this is a sensitive issue. Smith's privacy must be respected.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/16/2022 1:48 PM
Posted By DavidG45 on 02/16/2022 1:43 PM
how [d]o you inform the committee that a member is being removed?


Dear Committee members,

Effective today, February 16, John Smith is no longer on the committee. The reasons are confidential.

Thank you for your service,

Board of Directors

I agree this is a sensitive issue. Smith's privacy must be respected.

Sounds perfect. Thanks.

Sometimes I forgot not all communication is a dialogue!
AugustinD
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Posted By DavidG45 on 02/16/2022 1:52 PM
Posted By AugustinD on 02/16/2022 1:48 PM
Posted By DavidG45 on 02/16/2022 1:43 PM
how [d]o you inform the committee that a member is being removed?


Dear Committee members,

Effective today, February 16, John Smith is no longer on the committee. The reasons are confidential.

Thank you for your service,

Board of Directors

I agree this is a sensitive issue. Smith's privacy must be respected.


Sounds perfect. Thanks.

Sometimes I forgot not all communication is a dialogue!
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CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Axe-u-lee... it may be less sensitive than you believe that it is. Typically committee members serve at the pleasure of the board, and may be removed with or without cause. (In fact, your bylaws may have an article saying exactly that. Mine do.)

So, you can remove a committee member if you don't like their taste in clothing. I'd be tempted to leave off the statement that the reason is confidential since that can invite speculation. If anyone does speculate, you can point to your bylaws.
AugustinD
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Posted By CathyA3 on 02/16/2022 2:06 PM

So, you can remove a committee member if you don't like their taste in clothing. I'd be tempted to leave off the statement that the reason is confidential since that can invite speculation.
-- I think the Board's merely writing the other committee members that "John Smith is no longer on the committee." will invite speculation.

I think being removed from a committee because one is behind on one's dues is pretty sensitive. Plus if Smith was the tiebreaking vote on, say, an ARC issue, well this becomes a bigger problem.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Committees are different than being on the Board. Committees usually can be made up of anyone in the HOA. Which may include renters or family members. They have no real voting powers in the HOA. So they can't make any official changes nor vote for any board member. A board member has to be held to a "higher standard" which would be to be in "good standing".

Now with that being said, there is a crazy caveat to that. Some HOA's you don't have to be in "good standing" to be on the board but you can't vote in an election for board members. Who is going to vote for a board member who is in "bad standing"? Especially one that can't vote for themself?

Former HOA President
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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I think "the reason is confidential" would invite even more curiosity than "is off the committee."

People leave committees all the time.

Presumably the member being kicked off the committee has been made aware. Why not just ask them to resign, tell everybody else "Bob resigned" and call it a day?
AugustinD
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Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/17/2022 7:33 AM
Presumably the member being kicked off the committee has been made aware. Why not just ask them to resign, tell everybody else "Bob resigned" and call it a day?
I like the above option (BarbaraT1's) best. If Bob won't resign, or won't resign in an appropriate timeframe, then there's "Plan B" as given above, edited as the OP desires per CathyA3's and BarbaraT1's input, of course.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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David

I agree with letter similar or identical to one posted. Also have you considered in one to one conversation ask him to resign?
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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I believe that in most states the membership has a right to know who is in arrears, so it should not be an issue. I would approach the person and give them an opportunity to resign. If they do not, I would remove them from the committee and announce the reason since the membership has a right to know.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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I agree this can be sensitive but that is irrelevant. If you are a party to a contract and another party to that contract is in breach, you have a right to know. It is an association of owners not an association of board members. Absent any law making the information confidential, the owners have a right to know.
AugustinD
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In Delaware, and speaking as a layperson, I advise disclosing the names of any owner who is in arrears only to other directors. This is because of the following section in the Delaware Uniform Common Interest Ownership Act:

After the period of declarant control ends, all meetings of the executive board shall be open to the unit owners except for executive sessions held for purposes of: (i) consulting with the association’s lawyer regarding, or board discussion of, litigation, mediation, arbitration or administrative proceedings or any contract matters; (ii) labor or personnel matters; (iii) discuss matters relating to contract negotiations, including the review of bids or proposals, if premature general knowledge of those matters would place the association at a disadvantage; or (iv) discussion of any complaint from or alleged violation by a unit owner, when the executive board determines that public knowledge would violate the privacy of the unit owner.

Someone in arrears is in violation of the governing documents. I know what "privacy of the unit owner" means can be debated. But I think the above is enough to warrant a Delaware HOA's Board policy of not disclosing the names of those in arrears. And yes, this is even though there may be other ways for owners to learn which of their fellow owners are not paid up. Like liens, which are public records.

As others here have reminded me, often times there is a reason arguably beyond an owner's control for not being able to pay up. Like terminal illness.

I do not support collection efforts that involve pressure through intimidation and humiliation, unless maybe state law says to HOA Boards, "Have at it" and/or the covenants allow it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Our attorney has advised the BOD about publishing any delinquent owner's name. Personally I am all for public shaming but our attorney says that is a no no.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/17/2022 7:33 AM
I think "the reason is confidential" would invite even more curiosity than "is off the committee."

People leave committees all the time.

Presumably the member being kicked off the committee has been made aware. Why not just ask them to resign, tell everybody else "Bob resigned" and call it a day?

This. The person simply leaves the committee. The reasons don't need mentioning at all by anyone other than the person who is no longer serving.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
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I'm surprised at two things:

1) This thread has gone on as long as it has

2) Why a committee member would be removed for lack of payment. Is being told you can't volunteer as a community helper a form of punishment for not paying dues? The committee member is not in a decision making capacity, and the foreclosure lawsuit can proceed against them while they continue to serve as a committee member. I understand why a Board member has to be current (they authorize foreclosure lawsuits) but don't see why a person can't be a on a committee if also behind in dues.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Our Guidelines for All Committees do state that committee members must be in good standing.

I'm wondering how the board will vote to remove this person from the Committee. In CA, boards vote to accept committee members per our corporation codes, and boards vote to remove committee members. Since this is a matter of member discipline, she's being removed due to lack of payment, couldn't this be done in executive session?

We've never had to remove a committee member so I don't know the how's.

I also prefer the lighter version to go to the Committee. "As of xxx, Ms XXXX no longer serves on the xx Committee. We thank her for her service. Sincerely, the Board of Directors.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/17/2022 7:33 AM
I think "the reason is confidential" would invite even more curiosity than "is off the committee."

People leave committees all the time.

Presumably the member being kicked off the committee has been made aware. Why not just ask them to resign, tell everybody else "Bob resigned" and call it a day?

This would be the best approach I think. Explain, in private, to the person that person cannot be on the committee by rules. Then ask if the person would like to step-down voluntarily. That why the person can avoid any disclosure if that person wants that route.

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