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RonM19 (Texas)
Posts: 41
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I'm Vice President of our HOA board in Texas. Normally, we process CCR amendments in a fairly typical manner, i.e. proposal, discussion, 2/3 voter approval, etc. etc.

How should we deal with changes in the CCRs that are mandated by changes in the state property code? For example, suppose the CCRs prohibit property owners from building a fence. Then the legislature adds new language to the state property code stating that an HOA can NOT prohibit or prevent any property owner from building a fence. Since it's a state requirement, it doesn't call or any "voting" process. Would the board just rewrite that section of the CCRs on its own, and simply inform the owners?

Thanks!
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
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No.

There is a hierarchy to the CC&Rs, By-laws, and state laws. State laws supercede CC&Rs. CC&Rs supercede by-laws. This is automatic.

Thus, when the state law allows fencing when the CC&Rs state no fencing, that part of the CC&R is simply overriden and is null and void. No CC&R rewrite is needed.

If for some reason the Board desires to revise CC&Rs anyway to make them compliant, they still have to abide by the standard process for revising CC&Rs.
RonM19 (Texas)
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Thus, when the state law allows fencing when the CC&Rs state no fencing, that part of the CC&R is simply overriden and is null and void. No CC&R rewrite is needed.

If for some reason the Board desires to revise CC&Rs anyway to make them compliant, they still have to abide by the standard process for revising CC&Rs.

Thanks. That seems strange, though, because the "standard process" presumes the ability of the members to vote "no" which they can't. Well, they could, but it wouldn't have any effect. Summarily, I guess such a "vote" would be little more than a formality.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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From a lot of reading here over the years, and a fair amount of reading about the changes the Texas legislature recently made to TPC 209, I do not think the HOA has to do anything. This is because, where a bona fide conflict exists between statutes and the CCRs, the law says the statutes prevail.

I will do some more checking, since it's possible the Board has this power and no owner's vote is required under these circumstances. If I do not post back, then I did not find anything.

Your Board might want to propose an amendment to the CCR stating that the Board has the right, without an owner's vote, to amend the CCRs when Texas statutes change. On the other hand, perhaps TPC 209 changes often enough that this is not worth the Board's effort. Instead, maybe just add a clause that says Texas statutes control in the event of a conflict (assuming no such covenant already exists in your HOA's CCRs).

I hope your Board has a HOA attorney review all proposed amendments prior to having any vote on the proposed amendment.

AugustinD
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Posted By RonM19 on 02/13/2022 8:05 AM

Thus, when the state law allows fencing when the CC&Rs state no fencing, that part of the CC&R is simply overriden and is null and void. No CC&R rewrite is needed.

If for some reason the Board desires to revise CC&Rs anyway to make them compliant, they still have to abide by the standard process for revising CC&Rs.


Thanks. That seems strange, though, because the "standard process" presumes the ability of the members to vote "no" which they can't. Well, they could, but it wouldn't have any effect. Summarily, I guess such a "vote" would be little more than a formality.
One of the reasons state laws prevail when state laws conflict with the CCRs is because a Texas HOA's declaration and/or Articles of Incorporation typically state near the beginning something like, 'Subject to Texas Property Code 209 and the Texas Nonprofit Corporation Act... "

Alternatively, it is only because of the authority and specifics of these state statutes that a HOA was able to be created. https://townsq.io/hoa-document-guide/#The-HOA-Document-Hierarchy .
RonM19 (Texas)
Posts: 41
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I do not think the HOA has to do anything. This is because, where a bona fide conflict exists between statutes and the CCRs, the law says the statutes prevail.


I think it would be prudent to proactively go a little further. To my knowledge, nobody even knows about this legal update, particularly builders and new property owners in the HOA, i.e. they won't ask about it if they don't know about it. We'll have a director's meeting in a few weeks; I'll need to bring this up then.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Quote: Since it's a state requirement, it doesn't call or any "voting" process. Would the board just rewrite that section of the CCRs on its own, and simply inform the owners?

Your state law, but in mine the board was able to pass the amendment that brought us into compliance with the most recent state law. We voted to approve the amendment, recorded the vote in our board meeting minutes, and told the lawyer to record the amendment. No homeowner vote was needed, because even if the membership were unanimous in being opposed, they have no choice.

BUT... the board did not write the amendment, our attorney did. Boards generally don't have the necessary expertise to avoid introducing contradictory language or other legal pitfalls, thus setting up the community for potential future litigation. Leave that part to the professionals.
AugustinD
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Posted By HenryS7 on 02/13/2022 8:00 AM

If for some reason the Board desires to revise CC&Rs anyway to make them compliant, they still have to abide by the standard process for revising CC&Rs.
Depending on the state and the amendment desired, said "standard process" may allow the Board to amend without a vote of the owners. For example, in Washington, where HenryS7's HOA is, and pursuant to state statute, the board without a vote of the owners may amend the CCRs to remove covenants that discriminate on the basis of race, creed, sex et cetera. See https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.38.028
AugustinD
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Posted By RonM19 on 02/13/2022 8:25 AM
I do not think the HOA has to do anything. This is because, where a bona fide conflict exists between statutes and the CCRs, the law says the statutes prevail.


I think it would be prudent to proactively go a little further. To my knowledge, nobody even knows about this legal update, particularly builders and new property owners in the HOA, i.e. they won't ask about it if they don't know about it. We'll have a director's meeting in a few weeks; I'll need to bring this up then.
RonM19's point has crossed my mind in the past. But I always come back to the hazard of Boards thinking they can somehow parse the latest state law and get the wording exactly right for a covenant that supposedly reflects what a statute says.

To help Boards and owners understand that, when conflicts arise, state law trumps the CCRs, I prefer something simple like:

"In the event of conflicts between this Declaration and state statute, state statute shall control."

Given the hierarchy of documents, such a statement (in the Declaration) is superfluous. Nonetheless such a statement can help Boards to explain why, say, the Board is not enforcing covenant xyz, because state law recently invalidated covenant xyz.

Two cents.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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From our attorney: You cannot change the CC&Rs without going through the proper procedure and getting the required percentage of votes, even if it is to comply with the state law. However, there is one exception. A new Texas law does allow the board to change the CC&Rs to remove illegal racial clauses.

The state law always supersedes the CC&Rs so it is not necessary to change them to comply with the law. Also, the laws are ever changing. A law passed this year can be repealed next year.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Our ca. 2000 proposed restated CC&Rs & Bylaws have been sent to the membership for its vote. Below's the wording our HOA attorney used re: this topic:

Article 16 General Provisions

16.6 "REFERENCES TO STATE STATUTES. Any references in this Declaration to state statutes shall be to the referenced statute as in effect on the date that this Declaration is recorded with the County Recorder, unless the context otherwise requires. In the event that any referenced statute is subsequently amended or superseded, all such references shall thereon mean and refer to the referenced statute as so amended, modified, or superseded, as long as the amended statute continues to regulate or pertain to the same subject matter."

It makes the most sense to me to insert the change in the CC&Rs for reasons others have mentioned. Agree that such wording should be written by or vetted by an HOA attorney.

Article VI - Bylaw Amendments

Section 6.2. "Amendment of Bylaws by Board. These Bylaws may be amended by the majority of two thirds of the Board, but only as permitted herein, and for the following purposes:

(a) To correct any printing, technical, typographical, clerical or grammatical error or omission in these Bylaws;

(b) To make any change in the Bylaws to the extent only that such change is reasonably necessary to avoid any provisions of the Bylaws being in conflict with state or federal law, or to comply or accord with state or federal law."
AugustinD
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Posted By BenA2 on 02/13/2022 8:50 AM
From our attorney: You cannot change the CC&Rs without going through the proper procedure and getting the required percentage of votes, even if it is to comply with the state law. However, there is one exception. A new Texas law does allow the board to change the CC&Rs to remove illegal racial clauses.
I am aware of TPC 5.0261 (effective Sep 1, 2021). In the first half or so of 2021, the Texas legislature unanimously passed the bill that created TPC 5.0261. Texas Property Code 5.0261 certainly makes it easer to remove covenants that discriminate on account of "race, color, religion, or national origin." But I am not persuaded that TPC 5.0261 may be translated to read that a Board vote is all that is needed to remove the covenant that attempts to discriminate on the basis of the aforementioned protected classes.

See
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PR/htm/PR.5.htm

TPC 209 does not speak to this subject (of removing covenants discriminating against certain protected classes) via a mere board vote.
RonM19 (Texas)
Posts: 41
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I appreciate all the replies. It would seem to me that this puts an urgent burden on the board. The amendment process takes gime: it involves giving advanced notice of the amendment vote, facilitate the required "discussion," then voting, filing results with the county, etc. etc. which can all take several months.

Meanwhile, the new law is in effect as of 9/1/2021, and builders and new lot owners, not aware of the new code, are planning and building their homes, and the ACC is reviewing their architectural plan submissions, all under the umbrella of the current, unamended CCRs.

Presuming review by our attorney: until the amendment can be formally processed, wouldn't it be a good idea to send a memo out to the ACC, if not the entire community, clarifying that fences are now allowable, and directing them to disregard the current rule prohibiting them?

Thanks.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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RonM19,

-- I am not sure how you could read the replies here and come to the conclusion there is any urgency here. I do not see that there is. The Board complies with the law, consulting the HOA attorney as needed, period.

-- Re fences: Did I miss something in TPC 209? The new TPC 209 has exactly one mention of fence or fencing. I guess the fence example is a hypothetical with no basis in reality? If so, can you please cite what new section of TPC 209 actually is on your mind?

-- The new TPC 209 has a kinda big section on how Architectural Committees work, but this new section concerns how the ARC is to conduct itself procedurally.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By RonM19 on 02/13/2022 10:30 AM
I appreciate all the replies. It would seem to me that this puts an urgent burden on the board. The amendment process takes gime: it involves giving advanced notice of the amendment vote, facilitate the required "discussion," then voting, filing results with the county, etc. etc. which can all take several months.

Meanwhile, the new law is in effect as of 9/1/2021, and builders and new lot owners, not aware of the new code, are planning and building their homes, and the ACC is reviewing their architectural plan submissions, all under the umbrella of the current, unamended CCRs.

Presuming review by our attorney: until the amendment can be formally processed, wouldn't it be a good idea to send a memo out to the ACC, if not the entire community, clarifying that fences are now allowable, and directing them to disregard the current rule prohibiting them?

Thanks.

Ask your attorney whether or not you have to go through the voting process (as I said, in my state we didn't, board action was sufficient). Having the membership vote on this is pointless, since they have no choice about complying. The one thing that annoys people more than being told what to do is being told that they have a choice about it when in fact they don't. Not to mention the fact that conducting a vote costs money.

Yes, what you can do while the attorney is drafting the amendment is notify the community about the new law and modify your architectural guidelines (highlighting the items that differ from your un-amended CC&Rs). Send letters, put a notice on your website and in your newsletter if you have them, and make sure your ACC is on board with the changes.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/13/2022 10:39 AM
RonM19,

-- I am not sure how you could read the replies here and come to the conclusion there is any urgency here. I do not see that there is.

I agree with this, in the event a CCR conflicts it just becomes unenforceable. I'm sure there are thousands of CCRs in effect that still prohibit selling to people of certain races and while the old verbiage might be objectionable to many, it has no real effect.


Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
RonM19 (Texas)
Posts: 41
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-- I am not sure how you could read the replies here and come to the conclusion there is any urgency here. I do not see that there is. The Board complies with the law, consulting the HOA attorney as needed, period.

-- Re fences: Did I miss something in TPC 209? The new TPC 209 has exactly one mention of fence or fencing. I guess the fence example is a hypothetical with no basis in reality? If so, can you please cite what new section of TPC 209 actually is on your mind?


The specific language we're concerned about deals with "perimeter fencing." Our current CCRs prohibit any fencing "forward of the front wall of the house." This has been highly contentious in our community. Some people have even bought lots and planned their homes, then turned around and sold everything when they learned of this prohibition, as they wanted to fence their entire lots.

Texas SB1588 amends TPC 202.023(b) by adding, "a property owners' association may not adopt or enforce a restrictive covenant that prevents a property owner from building or installing security measures, including but not limited to a security camera, motion detector, or perimeter fence."

Of course we will seek verification with the HOA attorney, but our tenative interpretation is that this use of "perimeter fencing" will nullify the current prohibition against fencing forward of the front wall of the house.

The "urgency" assumes that the attorney will agree. As you read this, there are numerous builders and new lot buyers planning and laying out their new homes, clearing lots, etc. oblivious to the fact that it is now OK for them to install fencing around the perimeters of their lots if they wish to do so. I think it would be somewhat callous to not inform them of the removal of this prohibition, while they are in this early stage of their homebuilding.
AugustinD
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RonM19, got it. Thank you for the thorough explanation. I checked the latest TPC 202 and confirmed what you posted because I am a stickler for getting the facts right. You got the facts right.

Now I will know better than to assume TPC 209 and the Texas nonprofit corporation act are pretty much the "be all and end all" when it comes to statutes applying to Texas HOAs.

Should the HOA send out notices to owners and developers? If people do not put up fences, then they are compliant with the statute. If they do put up fences, then the HOA simply does not enforce the (now largely illegal) covenant. The HOA can still prohibit certain fencing that is not perimeter fencing and is not for security purposes.

I kinda doubt it's the HOA's place to help builders and owners figure this out. Now that this fencing is allowed, will owners' lots having this fencing (or the option for this fencing) benefit property values? I think it's five will get a person ten. I think it's a looks thing competing against a safety thing.

I advise discussing the new statute section on fences at an open board meeting and stating that the Board will comply with the statute and so of course the HOA will not enforce the covenant to the extent the fencing is (1) perimeter fencing; and (2) for security purposes.

Subsequently owners who only learn of their new freedom re fencing through the grapevine have only themselves to blame for not reading either the new statute sections (which legally does fall on them, despite any whining to the contrary) or the HOA's' Board Meeting Minutes.

I am rooting for the Midwest in the Super Bowl this afternoon, hoping any success the Bengals have will not result in the bi-coastal hordes snapping up housing at greater than asking prices in bidding wars, shutting out the little guy and gal who grew up in Cincinnati.

Oh wait, too late.

Anyway, for Cincinnati and Midwest pride, I am routing for the Bengals.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Go Bengals!

Anyway FWIW, I wonder about lawmakers' reasoning behind the perimeter fence restriction. Surely that is something better left to individual communities to decide if it's appropriate for them or not? Or were the lawmakers sick of all the fence-related lawsuits that were ending up in court? It strikes me that someone's pet peeve ended up in the law...
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/13/2022 12:25 PM

Should the HOA send out notices to owners and developers? ...
I kinda doubt it's the HOA's place to help builders and owners figure this out.

During COVID, our governer for about a year and half prohibited HOAs from collecting late fees and interest on HOA dues payments. I definitely believe that it was not the HOA's responsibility to inform homeowners that they can not pay dues and suffer no penalties (except threat of foreclosure lawsuit, which were allowed to proceed).

I think that the fence question is similar. It is not the responsibility of the HOA to inform homeowners of new freedoms that the state has provided. Rather, it is the responsibility of the association to not enforce restrictions that they are no longer allowed to enforce.
KerryL1 (California)
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I may have missed something. Upon verification from your HOA attorney that the new statute says what we think it says, it seems to me your ARC, Board, etc. would want to establish the height, materials(s), color(s), etc. that these fences, including a gate style(s) can be for your Architectural Guidelines or similar document.

I'd get community feedback on this. I've seen fences be really contentious topics in HOAs on this forum. Your municipality probably has restrictions you need to be aware to, too.

AugustinD
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/13/2022 1:10 PM
Upon verification from your HOA attorney that the new statute says what we think it says, it seems to me your ARC, Board, etc. would want to establish the height, materials(s), color(s), etc. that these fences, including a gate style(s) can be for your Architectural Guidelines or similar document.
If part of KerryL1's point above is questioning whether the HOA may even set architectural guidelines for these fences (previously prohibited by the covenants; now allowed pursuant to the new statute section), wow. Good one. First, all the veterans and even some of the newer folks realize that a board-created rule is lawful only to the extent that the covenants give the board the authority for such a rule. Second, exactly what at RonM15's HOA must be submitted to the HOA's ARC for approval? For example, is there a covenant that says something like: Nothing shall be placed in front yards without the ARC's approval? If so, then the ARC guidelines of which KerryL1 speaks above are likely needed. On the other hand, can the ARC, via the Board, even lawfully set rules for height, materials, and color for these fences? With said fences never being discussed anywhere else in the covenants on account of the now defunct covenant prohibiting front yard fences?

Depending on what the covenants say, RonM19's point about being pro-active has gained new prominence in my mind.
RonM19 (Texas)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 02/13/2022 12:32 PM
Go Bengals!

Anyway FWIW, I wonder about lawmakers' reasoning behind the perimeter fence restriction. Surely that is something better left to individual communities to decide if it's appropriate for them or not? Or were the lawmakers sick of all the fence-related lawsuits that were ending up in court? It strikes me that someone's pet peeve ended up in the law...

I think it has to do with the new emphasis on security. We don't live in as safe a world as we did a few years ago. Let's not go down that road right now... (-; So, it says the HOA can not have a rule "...that prevents a property owner from building or installing security measures, including but not limited to a security camera, motion detector, or perimeter fence."

Maybe I'm too nice a guy. We've had several people who were disappointed to learn they couldn't fence in their entire lot (lots out here are 3 to 7 acres). Several people are currently building or planning to build, and the ACC will deny their applications for a perimeter fence, due to being unaware of the new legislation.

Thus, if the attorney confirms our conclusions, I'm just thinking it would be considerate and prudent to immediately "get the word out" to the ACC and the property owners that perimeter fencing is allowed, and to tell the ACC not to deny any applications as such.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By AugustinD on 02/13/2022 12:25 PM

I kinda doubt it's the HOA's place to help builders and owners figure this out.

Agree again, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" cuts both ways.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Why would you need to amend your CC&R's with a state law change? In most cases a state law renders that covenant invalid.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By RonM19 on 02/13/2022 2:53 PM
Posted By CathyA3 on 02/13/2022 12:32 PM
Go Bengals!

Anyway FWIW, I wonder about lawmakers' reasoning behind the perimeter fence restriction. Surely that is something better left to individual communities to decide if it's appropriate for them or not? Or were the lawmakers sick of all the fence-related lawsuits that were ending up in court? It strikes me that someone's pet peeve ended up in the law...


I think it has to do with the new emphasis on security. We don't live in as safe a world as we did a few years ago. Let's not go down that road right now... (-; So, it says the HOA can not have a rule "...that prevents a property owner from building or installing security measures, including but not limited to a security camera, motion detector, or perimeter fence."

... snip...

OK, that makes sense. I agree with getting the word out to the ACC and the community (especially if some had previously been denied their applications for security measures.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Our documents state that local/state/federal laws override the rules in this document. So there is no reason to update as the laws changes. It is stated that can't exceed the law. It may be more restrictive but the other laws overcede it..

Former HOA President
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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Thank you, Augustine, you are correct and I was mistaken. The board cannot even remove an illegal racially discriminatory covenant. The best one can do is get a court to take notice that it is illegal and void (that is my interpretation) and file that notice with covenant.

I think this drives the point home that a board cannot change a covenant even when it obviously contradicts the law.
AugustinD
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BenA2, I am still studying TPC 5.0261 (new as of Sep 2021). I still cannot quite land where your attorney did. Then again, I have not spent three years in law school et cetera.

From TPC 5.0261:

A person who owns real property or an interest in real property the chain of title for which includes a recorded conveyance instrument containing a discriminatory provision, or another person with the permission of the owner, may request the removal of the discriminatory provision from the instrument by completing and filing, with the clerk of a district court in the county in whose real property records the instrument is recorded or of another court having jurisdiction over real property matters in the county,...

I know that, in statutes, a "person" can be a "corporation." To me, the recorded conveyance instrument here is a deed. The HOA corporation typically owns common area for which some kind of conveyance instrument or deed exists. The deed will usually refer to either the CCRs or plat, with the plat referring to the CCRs. A person or corporation owning land in the Texas HOA can apply to the court to remove the discriminatory provision from the instrument, meaning the deed, right? But this just removes the discriminatory language from the one deed, right?

As an academic matter, I would be interested in other people's thoughts on this.

Ya did well, Bengals. I am still trying to figure out the final Bengals play, fourth and one, with like 30 seconds tops to go, that had the potential to put the Bengals in field goal distance and tie the game. Why no time out to really think this through? What'd I miss? Monday morning sea lawyering. Monday morning quarterbacking. Then again [wink], the first touchdown the Bengals scored sure looked like a face mask grab to me. What's with situations like the latter? Refs on the ground rule, right (ridiculous, with all this technology out there)? And the refs missed this?
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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Posted By RonM19 on 02/13/2022 7:37 AM
I'm Vice President of our HOA board in Texas. Normally, we process CCR amendments in a fairly typical manner, i.e. proposal, discussion, 2/3 voter approval, etc. etc.

How should we deal with changes in the CCRs that are mandated by changes in the state property code? For example, suppose the CCRs prohibit property owners from building a fence. Then the legislature adds new language to the state property code stating that an HOA can NOT prohibit or prevent any property owner from building a fence. Since it's a state requirement, it doesn't call or any "voting" process. Would the board just rewrite that section of the CCRs on its own, and simply inform the owners?

Thanks!

A little late to the conversation, but here's my $0.02.

1. any amendment to the Governing Docs requires the proper procedure and vote to make it 'valid.' Doesn't matter if you're just editing to comply with state law or whatever.
2. Laws change frequently and often. If you do properly edit your CCR's to allow fences, then that law is later removed (happens more often then you would think), now your CCR's are stuck allowing fences and you would have to go through the process to edit again to outlaw fences (if that's even allowed, because most CCR's cannot get more restrictive than previously existed).
3. A better strategy would be to just issue a statement and official memo from the BOD that CCR #123 about fences is currently not legally enforceable, citing the specific state law. If the law changes later, your original CCR's are still in tact.

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Posted By HenryS7 on 02/13/2022 8:00 AM

Thus, when the state law allows fencing when the CC&Rs state no fencing, that part of the CC&R is simply overriden and is null and void. No CC&R rewrite is needed.

Just a point of clarification, but the law does not "allow fences" but rather blocks an HOA from restricting fences. This is a major difference.

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Posted By RonM19 on 02/13/2022 11:56 AM

The "urgency" assumes that the attorney will agree. As you read this, there are numerous builders and new lot buyers planning and laying out their new homes, clearing lots, etc. oblivious to the fact that it is now OK for them to install fencing around the perimeters of their lots if they wish to do so. I think it would be somewhat callous to not inform them of the removal of this prohibition, while they are in this early stage of their homebuilding.

I agree. You have a responsibility as a leader to ensure your Members are informed. Why would you want to actively try to hide and deter a legally acceptable activity? Just post an official memo acknowledging the CCR vs Statute issue and that state law controls.

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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/13/2022 1:10 PM
I may have missed something. Upon verification from your HOA attorney that the new statute says what we think it says, it seems to me your ARC, Board, etc. would want to establish the height, materials(s), color(s), etc. that these fences, including a gate style(s) can be for your Architectural Guidelines or similar document.

I'd get community feedback on this. I've seen fences be really contentious topics in HOAs on this forum. Your municipality probably has restrictions you need to be aware to, too.


i dunno...I agree that it would be beneficial to use the ACC to make 'reasonable' rules about fencing, but the state law says "[hoa] may not adopt or enforce a restrictive covenant that prevents ... a perimeter fence." ...ACC restrictions seems to not be kosher.
AugustinD
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The full, pertinent statute section states:

Sec. 202.023. SECURITY MEASURES. (a) This section does not apply to:

(1) a condominium as defined by Section 81.002 or 82.003; or

(2) a master mixed-use property owners' association subject to Chapter 215.

(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), a property owners' association may not adopt or enforce a restrictive covenant that prevents a property owner from building or installing security measures, including but not limited to a security camera, motion detector, or perimeter fence.

(c) This section does not prohibit a property owners' association from:

(1) prohibiting the installation of a security camera by a property owner in a place other than the property owner's private property; or

(2) regulating the type of fencing that a property owner may install.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
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Posted By RonM19 on 02/13/2022 11:56 AM


-- I am not sure how you could read the replies here and come to the conclusion there is any urgency here. I do not see that there is. The Board complies with the law, consulting the HOA attorney as needed, period.

-- Re fences: Did I miss something in TPC 209? The new TPC 209 has exactly one mention of fence or fencing. I guess the fence example is a hypothetical with no basis in reality? If so, can you please cite what new section of TPC 209 actually is on your mind?


The specific language we're concerned about deals with "perimeter fencing." Our current CCRs prohibit any fencing "forward of the front wall of the house." This has been highly contentious in our community. Some people have even bought lots and planned their homes, then turned around and sold everything when they learned of this prohibition, as they wanted to fence their entire lots.

Texas SB1588 amends TPC 202.023(b) by adding, "a property owners' association may not adopt or enforce a restrictive covenant that prevents a property owner from building or installing security measures, including but not limited to a security camera, motion detector, or perimeter fence."

Of course we will seek verification with the HOA attorney, but our tenative interpretation is that this use of "perimeter fencing" will nullify the current prohibition against fencing forward of the front wall of the house.

The "urgency" assumes that the attorney will agree. As you read this, there are numerous builders and new lot buyers planning and laying out their new homes, clearing lots, etc. oblivious to the fact that it is now OK for them to install fencing around the perimeters of their lots if they wish to do so. I think it would be somewhat callous to not inform them of the removal of this prohibition, while they are in this early stage of their homebuilding.

The Texas Lege sure does love its vaguely worded statutes, doesn't it!

Since the revised statute also says that HOAs can still regulate the type of fencing - could it be argued that "Front yard fencing" is a type of fencing? I don't know - I'm asking rhetorically.

Usually these changes come about because someone who knows a state legislator got into a tussle with their HOA and they don't consider all the possibilities.

Are you in an incorporated area? Are there any municipal building codes that might prohibit front yard fencing, and thus solve this problem for you?
KerryL1 (California)
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I personally really like your approach, Ron. It's educational, transparent and just plain old courteous.

Since the fencing must be solely perimeter fencing and use be for security purposes, how high would it need to be? Ould it be a concrete wall with glass shards embedded in the top to prevent intruders? I'm thinking those 7-acre parcels would be very difficult to make secure. My earlier reading of tho post had me thinking this was a neighborhood of, say, 5OX120 ft lots. Thats why I wrote way above the ACC & board, with owner input, imo, needed to talk about "types" of fences so as not to create a visual mess.

But with maybe all really large acreage, that seems less important. But I still think, Ron, your HOA wants guidelines.

Meanwhile, and if security concerns are a big fear in your area, I'd say the ability to fence the perimeter will enhance property values. Say, was the fencing industry behind this legislation?
KerryL1 (California)
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Oh, and to repeat my way above and Barbara's note: Municipalities may have a lot to say about fencing. It seems likely that many would have made some requirements based on the new statute.

Re: Adam's last remark, Augustine added some crucial verbiage from the statute , which is copied below:

"(c) This section does not prohibit a property owners' association from: ...
...(2) regulating the type of fencing that a property owner may install.'

Agree with Barabar that "type" is a little vague,
LillyH1 (Texas)
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Posted By KerryL1 on 02/14/2022 6:13 PM
Oh, and to repeat my way above and Barbara's note: Municipalities may have a lot to

"(c) This section does not prohibit a property owners' association from: ...
...(2) regulating the type of fencing that a property owner may install.'

Agree with Barabar that "type" is a little vague,

No. But the statute does regulate where the HOA can't prohibit fences from being installed, e.g the perimeter. The hot can specify what "type" which would be white picket, wrought iron, no more than 6' tall, etc... Not the location of the fence.
AugustinD
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Posted By LillyH1 on 02/16/2022 2:28 PM
The ho[a] can specify what "type" which would be white picket, wrought iron, no more than 6' tall, etc...
The HOA can do this only to the extent the covenants allow such restrictions. Elaboration:

The new statute section does not prohibit a HOA from regulating the type of fencing an owner may install. But this is not the same as saying, "HOAs may regulate the type of fencing an owner may install."

To regulate the fencing in the front yard to a certain type of fencing, a HOA must have a basis in its covenants for doing so.

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