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RobertR30 (Colorado)
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I have requested a HOA Members list (including e-mail, and mailing address, phone number) from my HOA Management company, they refuse to comply or respond to my request. Is there a statute under CCIOA that requires the HOA to give requested information. I've talked with others and all say they have to by law.
LetA (Nevada)
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Posted By RobertR30 on 02/08/2022 2:20 PM
I have requested a HOA Members list (including e-mail, and mailing address, phone number) from my HOA Management company, they refuse to comply or respond to my request. Is there a statute under CCIOA that requires the HOA to give requested information. I've talked with others and all say they have to by law.

For what purpose do you need this information? I would think some privacy laws would come into play here. Unfortunately, names and addresses are public domain from your county recorders office.
other information like phone numbers and email contacts should be considered private and confidential.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
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Not sure about Colorado, but in North Carolina owner info is covered under privacy laws and will not be distributed by the HOA.
RobertR30 (Colorado)
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Do You Have a Right to Review HOA Records?
As a member of an HOA, it’s important that you communicate with it and regularly request information. For example, as a member you are entitled to inspect your HOA’s records. These records include the minutes, or notes, from board meetings, as well as the financial health of your HOA.

As a member of the HOA, you are entitled to see:
financial records
tax returns
contact information for board members of the HOA
contact information for members of the HOA
You can also request to look at the outcomes of designer architectural approval requests.

These are just some of the documents you are entitled to review as a member of an HOA.

If you feel your HOA is specifically targeting you by enforcing rules against you while turning a blind eye to neighbors who break those same rules, we recommend you consider legal action.
AaronS9 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
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- our board asked our external hoa manager for email addresses of our hoa members... she gave it to us... are u on the Board?
AugustinD
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Posted By RobertR30 on 02/08/2022 2:20 PM
I have requested a HOA Members list (including e-mail, and mailing address, phone number) from my HOA Management company, they refuse to comply or respond to my request. Is there a statute under CCIOA that requires the HOA to give requested information. I've talked with others and all say they have to by law.
Correct.

From the CCIOA:

The names of unit owners in a form that permits preparation of a list of the names of all unit owners and the physical mailing addresses at which the association communicates with them,
...

all records maintained by the association must be available for examination and copying by a unit owner or the owner's authorized agent.


Check for the above to be up to date. I used what I could find at justia.com. See https://law.justia.com/codes/colorado/2018/title-38/real-property/article-33.3/part-3/section-38-33.3-317/

From the Colorado Nonprofit Corporation Act:

7-136-102. Inspection of corporate records by members.
(1) A member is entitled to inspect and copy, during regular business hours at the
nonprofit corporation's principal office, any of the records of the nonprofit corporation
described in section 7-136-101 (5)
...

The nonprofit corporation may comply with a member's demand to inspect the record
of members under section 7-136-102 (2) (c) by furnishing to the member a list of
members that complies with section 7-136-101 (3) and was compiled no earlier than the
date of the member's demand.


See https://altitude.law/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/07307998.pdf and check for up-to-dateness.

PatJ1, pardon? The NC nonprofit corporation act requires HOAs/COAs to provide a membership list, including names and addresses, to any member who requests it.

Email addresses are a bigger issue. Some states may require them to be a part of the membership list (if a member has opted in). Some states do not.

I believe the purpose of statute sections like this is to make sure the membership can communicate with all members and attempt to cause change.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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What you quoted us to wrong, but remember there are 50 states and some HOA state laws are more extensive than others, so you need to see the regulations in your own state. You also need to check your documents to see what they say. Some HOAs were Established before the internet, emails and text messages, so state law might not have caught up get.

Your HOA may ask what you want the list for - sometimes, you're only limited to using it for association business, such as running for a board position, so be prepared for that question and to answer it. Some homeowners may opt out of having their name or emails included on a list that can be distributed to other homeowners and so you may need to use snail mail to contact them.

I'm not suggesting you not make your request but you should be aware of assorted issues - its not always the property manager being obstinate - and they work ar the board's direction, so your real problem may be them

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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Posted By LetA on 02/08/2022 2:25 PM
Posted By RobertR30 on 02/08/2022 2:20 PM
I have requested a HOA Members list (including e-mail, and mailing address, phone number) from my HOA Management company, they refuse to comply or respond to my request. Is there a statute under CCIOA that requires the HOA to give requested information. I've talked with others and all say they have to by law.


For what purpose do you need this information? I would think some privacy laws would come into play here. Unfortunately, names and addresses are public domain from your county recorders office.
other information like phone numbers and email contacts should be considered private and confidential.

Most every state and most HOA governing documents allow for members to have access to and 'inspect' the HOA books, which include the membership roster. It doesn't matter what for what purpose. A member has bought into this club called the HOA and has access to the list of all other members in the club.

Now turning to the specific request....emails and phone numbers generally are beyond the scope nor are generally required. Usually, a membership roster is the name and address of each membership unit.
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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Posted By PatJ1 on 02/08/2022 2:32 PM
Not sure about Colorado, but in North Carolina owner info is covered under privacy laws and will not be distributed by the HOA.

you might want to check yourself.

https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/PDF/ByArticle/Chapter_55a/Article_16.pdf

55A-16-01 and 02

Why are you against access to your membership list? If you don't want to be on it, then perhaps don't buy into a membership group that requires (by state law) the access to this list?
KerryL1 (California)
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Say, Robert, you wrote something that seems to be a long quotation. Who is it from? Please cite your source?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Robert,

You have a right to review. You don't have a right for the board to send you a copy.
You can make a copy, but you have to actually go in and review (if this is what the MC desires to push).

Therefore, make a request to review the membership list (vs. having them send you a copy).
Cite the statute and your governing documents.

Example:

In accordance with Colorado statute xxxx section x, paragraph y, Colorado statute xxx (if incorporated, CO corporate law would also apply) and our governing documents, CC&R section x, Articles of Incorporation section y, and the Bylaws section z, I am formally requesting to review the membership along with all contact information associated with it (Owner, lot #, mailing address, phone numbers and emails).

Send the letter certified, return receipt.
If you do not hear back, take the next step:

If there is an ombudsman - contact them.
If the MC requires a license, make a complaint on that license.
Hire an attorney to write a letter on your behalf requesting the info.

PatJ1 (North Carolina)
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I misspoke. I must have been thinking about violations. Names and addresses of unit/property owners are public record. Phone numbers and email addresses would not be included on a membership list provided by the HOA.

There are limitations on what the list can be used for and it does not state that the intended use has to be noted within the request.
MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
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PatJ1, there are no legal limits about what can be on a homeowner list. As long as what's not considered "public record" has been explicitly allowed by the homeowner.
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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Posted By PatJ1 on 02/09/2022 1:18 AM
I misspoke. I must have been thinking about violations. Names and addresses of unit/property owners are public record. Phone numbers and email addresses would not be included on a membership list provided by the HOA.

There are limitations on what the list can be used for and it does not state that the intended use has to be noted within the request.

just a point of clarification....

The Membership List is NOT Public Record. It is only required to be accessible to the Membership. small nitpick, but very important distinction. In general (verify with your state law and governing docs), you need to include Names and contact address for each Member in the Association. Anything extra (phone, email, favorite color, etc) is voluntary and not required.
AugustinD
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Posted By AdamL1 on 02/09/2022 3:09 PM
The Membership List is NOT Public Record.
Are you sure who is a member of a HOA is not public record?
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
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Our attorney has addressed release of documents in a general sense. While I don't know exactly what they would say about a member list, they said phone numbers and e-mail addresses are not "records" that are permissible to release. They have a lot of funny excuses as to why HOA records are not releasable to homoewners.

They did allude to court cases and I believe most courts have not ruled in favor of homeowners who are pestering the HOA for records requests.
AugustinD
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Posted By HenryS7 on 02/09/2022 5:26 PM
They did allude to court cases and I believe most courts have not ruled in favor of homeowners who are pestering the HOA for records requests.
I want you to cite some of these court cases.

By my reading: First, HOA/COA records requests cases do not land in appeals courts very often. Second, corporate records requests cases have landed in appeals courts, and I certainly would not say that the courts have favored the corporations. More typically the corporation is attempting to stonewall a shareholder/member by forcing the shareholder/member to file a lawsuit. This is why some legislatures have made records inspection laws more friendly to HOA/COA members in recent years.

Of course, someone who would say an owner who is exercising his or her lawful, statutory rights to inspect records is "pestering the HOA" would bend the truth. Seriously? You consider owners requesting to inspect records to be pests?
KerryL1 (California)
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IN CA, associations must supply Owners' mailing addresses and email addresses to any Owners who request them. Individual Owners may opt out and not permit either to go to Owners. I don't think phone numbers are included.

What does WA law say, Henry? Can you look it up?

I'd say HOAs' refusal to give these materials to Owners or at least permit them to review them is the most request issue to come to this forum.
KerryL1 (California)
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Just checked further I see no where that Owners' phone numbers must be given out. Owners have the right to review and to have copies of the lists. Nowadays, Our PM just sends an Owner the list via email and charges nothing.

HOA lso, by the way must also give Owners copies of all of the governing documents. This is not a "courtesy" as a certain poster keeps writing,it's a requirement in CA. This varies form state to state.
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
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Posted By HenryS7 on 02/09/2022 5:26 PM
Our attorney has addressed release of documents in a general sense. While I don't know exactly what they would say about a member list, they said phone numbers and e-mail addresses are not "records" that are permissible to release. They have a lot of funny excuses as to why HOA records are not releasable to homoewners.

They did allude to court cases and I believe most courts have not ruled in favor of homeowners who are pestering the HOA for records requests.

spit my drink out and laughed. I can't tell if you are serious or taking the piss here.
CathyB7 (Colorado)
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CCIOA does allow for the membership to have the names and addresses of those in his/her HOA. However, email addresses and phone numbers come under personal information and by Colorado law may not be disclosed unless the homeowner agrees to it. This does not pertain to the Board - their information must be available to all members of the HOA and must include email addresses and phone numbers. You may want to check with your HOA attorney (which is what I did for similar instance). Not sure why there is no response from your PM - they should know your covenants and be able to respond appropriately.

I would hope you have a section in your Declaration and covenants that refers to 'inspection of records' which should define this issue. I live in a very young and small (96 units) community and we have the basic boiler plate Declaration and CCR's which do have this section.
KerryL1 (California)
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Good point, CathyB.
KerryL1 (California)
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RobertR: Have you checked your own CC&Rs or perhaps Bylaws on this topic???

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