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AaronS9 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
About 10% of our street lights don't work. We're about to transition from DR Horton to HOA-member control. JCP&L, our street light provider, just won't fix these street lights. DR Horton is telling us street lights are JCP&L's responsibility. We're a new development. We're going to start the transition process shortly. Does anyone know if the street lights are DR Horton's responsibility? If so, how can the street lights be DR Horton's responsibility if the lights are owned by the utility company, JCP&L? Thanks
LisaB21 (Texas)
Posts: 97
Posted:
My guess is that the responsibility to fix the street lights is with the utility company. In our area each street light pole has a # in it. Write down the # of the pole that is not working as well as closest street address, and report it to the utility company. We are able to report problems with streetlights online on the utility companies website, or you can call it in as well.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Start with finding out who put the lights in. There may also be something in your documents (the Bylaws and CCRS), so read those as well.

I imagine your community has or will have a board of directors who will participate in the transition - you will need to set up a punchline of items related to the common areas that haven't been addressed. The board will need to monitor those items to ensure they're reserved before the community changes hands. Whether that may ultimately mean the homeowners will need to take legal action remains to be seen.

Everyone else knows what I'll say next - go to the CAI website and invest in a few educational materials that provide helpful information on community transitions from the developer and other stuff. Not everyone has experience in running a HOA and This is a nonprofit organization managing hundreds of thousands of dollars, so the more you educate yourselves the better.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Utility company most likely will be responsible for it. Doesn't make it "free". They may charge to change lights or any damaged poles etc... Just check with them to see what relationship they have set up with your builder. (That builder does not have the best reputation so good luck).

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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AaronS9 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks for responses. I am a Board member of our HOA. Our Public Offering Statement covers street lighting as a "common element" and that our HOA ". . . is responsible to maintain, repair and replace the street lights . . ." Problem seems to be the street lights are the responsibility of electric utility. But electric utility is not fixing or telling our HOA what has to be done to fix the lights. May look into seeing if a private electrician can fix the lighting. Thanks
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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I would simply contact the electric company. Several times if need be.

You should get a work order number when you submit the issue.
PatJ1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 568
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Our utility allows for service orders to be entered on their website by anyone. It's all noted on a map by the fixture's location. Sometimes it's necessary to keep reporting it until it's repaired.
AaronS9 (New Jersey)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks for everyones feedback. I ended up speaking to a Manager at the Utility Company. I'm going to provide him list of non-working lights. He assured me the Utility Co. will fix and bill the home builder. Util co. attributes 100% of the non-working street light issue to homebuilder damaging underground wires. Util Co. going after homebuilder for reimbursement. In summary, Utility Company Manager assured me the Utility Co. will repair all lights. Thanks for everyones feedback and advice to check further with Utility Company. Thanks
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
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Aaron, did you ask the utility manager what happens if a light does not function a year from now when the developer/builder is long gone?

Will the utility company repair the light? Will some party be billed for the repair?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
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Posted By BillH10 on 02/07/2022 8:16 AM
Aaron, did you ask the utility manager what happens if a light does not function a year from now when the developer/builder is long gone?

Will the utility company repair the light? Will some party be billed for the repair?

Our developer is long gone, but the arrangement they set up and that we still have is that the lights are leased from the power company. The lease includes maintenance. This seems common around here, although some communities own their lights and just pay for power.

Anybody with web access can go to the power company's web site and report a light out. Not just for our community, but pretty much any street light in the county including most roads other than state roads and major highways. I probably report a dozen lights a year on the roads around our area because if not reported, they can be out for months or years.

As far as the OP's case is concerned, if the power company wants to try to claw back some damages from the developer, that's between them and the developer, the monthly fee includes repairs other than obvious physical damage like somebody crashing into a lightpost. I assume it becomes an insurance issue then.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By AaronS9 on 02/07/2022 5:36 AM
Thanks for responses. I am a Board member of our HOA. Our Public Offering Statement covers street lighting as a "common element" and that our HOA ". . . is responsible to maintain, repair and replace the street lights . . ." Problem seems to be the street lights are the responsibility of electric utility. But electric utility is not fixing or telling our HOA what has to be done to fix the lights. May look into seeing if a private electrician can fix the lighting. Thanks

Find out for sure who owns and is responsible for the street lights, if so spend the $100.00 for an independent lawyers opinion. Under no circumstances sign off to release the bond to the developer until ALL
items that need to be repaired or retouched. That includes utility vaults with cracked concrete, cracked sidewalks cracked by construction equipment. Go over everything with a fine tooth comb.
Once reverting is fixed, then sign the papers to release the bond to the developer.

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