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DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Delaware is, again, under a mask mandate for the foreseeable future. The last time we were under a mask mandate our clubhouse was not yet open, so we had no issue. Now we have disagreement among residents and committee members about whether or not the mask mandate applies to our clubhouse. At the end of this post I have the verbiage from the state order.

My understanding is the HOA amenities are generally exempt from ADA laws as they are not a "public accommodation." Hence our swimming pools are not wheelchair accessible. But I'm not sure if this would apply to a mask mandate that applies to "space open to the public."

“Business or space open to the public” means any spaces, whether publicly owned or privately owned, where the public has access by right or invitation,
express or implied, whether by payment of money or not, or that is open to employees, contractors, or volunteers. In addition to the public areas of
businesses, such spaces may include, but are not limited to, building lobbies or common spaces, elevators, hallways, bathrooms, and buildings or meeting
rooms where people gather for business, social, civic, cultural, or while traveling by taxi, bus, train, car service, ride-sharing or similar service. "
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
David

Your clubhouse is not open to the pubic so any mask mandate does not apply. I am pro-mask.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
On this issue, I do not think anything except your HOA attorney's opinion will count for anything.

If the public has access to the clubhouse (as in I could drive to your HOA and walk into the clubhouse, without a key, magnetic yada access card or similar), I say the state's mask mandate applies. If employees per chance are working in the clubhouse, this would especially influence my vote in favor of masks.

I agree that many and possibly all HOA amenities are exempt from ADA laws. But Fair Housing laws and a state or city's laws (on, say, parking) often have the same effect as ADA laws.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AugustinD on 02/02/2022 12:41 PM
On this issue, I do not think anything except your HOA attorney's opinion will count for anything.

If the public has access to the clubhouse (as in I could drive to your HOA and walk into the clubhouse, without a key, magnetic yada access card or similar), I say the state's mask mandate applies. If employees per chance are working in the clubhouse, this would especially influence my vote in favor of masks.

I agree that many and possibly all HOA amenities are exempt from ADA laws. But Fair Housing laws and a state or city's laws (on, say, parking) often have the same effect as ADA laws.

Thanks, a few minutes after I posted I realized whatever anyone here says, it only matters what our attorney says.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
With Augustin, unless non-residents and non-staff have access to your clubhouse, it is not public. One reason some in HOAs get confused is b/c some term an Association's common areas "public areas."

Our Board voted and decided to in general follow our county's lead re: Covid. So, we do require masks in our interior common areas except the gym while actively working out. This is especially important in our elevator building. All vendors and staff are required to wear masks throughout the premises.

It is a board decision based on your attorney's advice.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kerry

I totally agree with a mask mandate in a high rise building where lobby, elevator, hallway, laundry room, etc are small, and shared spaces.

As for a club house, I would post a sign that masks are requested.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
Rather than paying for an attorney consultation, you should be able to write to the entity that enforces the mask mandate, tell them your situation, and they will tell you whether it applies. That would be a no cost option.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
Is your clubhouse staffed?
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/02/2022 2:14 PM
Is your clubhouse staffed?

We have an office where our property manager is on-site three days a week.

We have a janitorial service that comes in once a week.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DavidG45 on 02/02/2022 2:37 PM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/02/2022 2:14 PM
Is your clubhouse staffed?


We have an office where our property manager is on-site three days a week.

We have a janitorial service that comes in once a week.

How would a mask mandate be enforced when the property manager isn’t there?
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
CYA and spend the small amount of money for your councils opinion. HOA's are private property and are not open to the general public and not subject to public area mandates. Common areas can be considered an extension of ones home.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Clubhouses are not public. It is exclusive use of the membership. Of which they may invite members of the "public". Unfortunately, you may not enforce the masking rules unless maybe this is a city/state/federal law. Your local municipality may have restrictions in place you can try to immulate.

I am all about wearing a mask, being vaccinated, and social distancing. However, I can't force that onto others since we live in a country where people believe their "rights" override disease control.

Former HOA President
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Our HOA can enforce our mandate/rule that masks be worn in interior common areas by every person, Melissa. Luckily, everyone has been very cooperative. Now & then, a resident will simply tell someone, usually a visitor, to put on their mask, which usually is visible.

In our elevator building, masks are really important. No one has used our Party Room and if someone did, since they must pay and leave a deposit it'd be up to them if they wanted their guests inside the room to be masked.

DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
FWIW, our attorney replied and, with a lot of hedging, said he believed we should treat our clubhouse as a public space; so we are stuck with that, now. Of course, our Board President (the developer) did chime-in that enforcement is an issue, and that we should put a sign on the door and be done with it.

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