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HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
Hello HOATalk,

Trying to figure out how to effectively clamp down on compliance in our community. We conducted a survey and found that homeowners are highly concerned about the lack of HOA enforcement with regards to rules and regulations, and our homeowners clearly are asking for increased amounts of compliance letters to be sent out.

Problem is, the recipients of the compliance letters frequently argue, often with stupid arguments, with the property manager regarding the compliance letter.

Example: Homeowner receives a compliance letter regarding the boat parked in the driveway. Homeowner starts on a multi-email exchange claiming that the boat is used for morning fishing and is removed from property for 2 hours each day. (This is a lie.) After a months worth of e-mails, homeowner gets the point that the boat is not allowed and finally removes the boat.

The problem for me is that I do not have time for back-and-forth (via the PM) with homeowners regarding their violations. I do not have patience to listen to their petty arguments and their excuses to not follow the rules and regulations that existed long before they bought their home. Our PM tries to answer the best that she can, but when the going gets tough, she turns the e-mails over to the Board to figure out how to respond to.

We might need send 20 - 30 compliances letters a month, and probably 5 of these will result in multi e-mail exchanges with homeowners.

How can we be fair to our homeowners, while also being fair to us as volunteers? I am thinking that we can have one meeting a month to let our PM know how to respond to all of the e-mails that she receives.

Any other suggestions?
LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
My question is about your fining process. Once you send someone the enforcement letter (which I'm assuming is an informal notice of the violation and not an official letter) what comes next? First notice, second notice, hearing? What do your documents say about the process?

I don't see any point in having your PM or the board get involved in the email exchanges. We get that also and it wastes everyone's time.

Our process is courtesy letter and if not fixed within a certain number of days (usually two weeks unless they let us know some different circumstances) then first official letter with deadlne, second official letter with deadline, then it goes on the board agenda for a hearing and fining. We do allow homeowners to speak during the board hearing - that's the place they can argue, not via responses to the letters.They can also argue their case at the fining committee.

I would instruct your PM not to argue with these people. Just send the letters that quotes the rules they are breaking and what happens if they don't fix the issue. Just because they send a response with their arguments as to why they are allowed to break the rules doesn't mean you have to acknowledge them. Don't engage, just let your process work.

Easier said than done in some cases.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
What Lori said.

Rule enforcement IS a pain in the ass, but it's what boards are called to do (so get used to it). That said, the first place you might look to tweak is the process - if all you're doing is sending letters and that's followed with back and forth with emails, you need to shut that down by telling people either they fix the problem or make their case before the board in an appeal hearing. If they lose the hearing or there's a compromise and they still don't comply, turn it over to the attorney.

Your job is to be fair and consistent with the process, but as Lori indicated, there will always be people who think rules apply to everyone else but them. When they aren't trying to insult you, they'll scream lawsuit. Whatever - as long as YOU follow our procedures and can document what, when and how you enforce the rules and the homeowners are aware of that, they can try to sue if they want to, but risk being laughed out of court (and judges HATE wasting their time with stupidity). Eventually, these people will have no choice, but to calm down and - follow the damned rules. Our attorney once told us this can take a few years before everyone gets the point, but change is never easy. And don't worry about threats to vote you out - if enough homeowners are happy with what you're doing, you should be ok, but if not, so what? All you can do is your best - if others feel they can do better, let them see how things really are.

If you do make changes, notify the homeowners with an effective date (immediately will also work. Remind everyone that (1) the rules exist to ensure the neighborhood remains clean, safe, and attractive (thus maintaining or increasing the property values that everyone screams about) and (2) as HOA members, they have a legal obligation to comply. This is what they signed up for when they purchased a home in the community. If they think the rules are "stupid," they're welcome to propose alternative approaches to the board. If changes will require a CCR amendment, that will mean homeowner approval - and those homeowners should be willing to make their case before their neighbors.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Henry

20 to 30 compliance letters a month sounds like a lot to me. How many units do you have? What type layout?
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
First, research your state statutes to see if there is a required process a violation appeal. Then check your declaration to see if it has a prescribed appeal process.

Then, create an enforcement policy, incorporating whatever the state and declaration requirement s are. The policy should list the sequence of notices (I would advise giving the board the discretion to send a courtesy notice), when fines are imposed and the schedule of fines (if you have the authority to fine), whatever other enforcement tools the board has (self help or a lawsuit) and the process for homeowners to appeal. Then instruct the manager to advise any protesting owners of that process. Barring any state or declaratory requirements "come to a board meeting and talk to the board" is a process that will weed out the general whiners.

Your property manager should be discouraged from engaging in lengthy back and forth. When I get repeated argumentative emails, my response is "I have explained the policy/decision/board's response and it remains the final decision." Cut and paste as many times as necessary.

Your residents who want more enforcement also need to be educated. Explain the enforcement policy, and explain that compliance is often a long process and the continued existence of a violation doesn't mean it isn't being addressed. If you have an enforcement policy, direct them to that. I have also had to explain, on multiple occasions, that sending daily complaints and photos, posting about a neighbor's lot on Facebook, or encouraging other neighbors to report the same violation not only does not speed up the process, it actually makes it harder to resolve the problem.

For some reason, owners direct their ire at the board/manager when there is a violation, instead of at the person who committed the violation. Their neighbor isn't at fault for letting his fence fall apart, it's my fault for not telling him to fix his fence. (Even though I have told him to fix his fence). These same people are often shocked when I tell them that not everyone immediately corrects a problem when they get a letter about it. I think they are looking at it from their perspective ("If my fence fell down, I'd fix it, and if I got a letter about it, I'd be mortified and correct it immediately.") and don't realize that not everyone shares that thought process.
BobD4 (up north)
Posts: 1,002
Posted:
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Posted By HenryS7 : . . We conducted a survey . . . our homeowners clearly are asking for increased amounts of compliance letters to be sent out. . . .

A veteran condo manager regularly quipped : "We will even serve you breakfast in bed if you wanna pay for such . . ."
It may be time to invite comments from your owners just how much they wanna pay ?

And whether your prohibitions may have to be reviewed & pruned back by lawful process ?

Wanna pay for a dedicated paralegal ?

Wonder what volunteer Board members expected to have to do ?
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
"Homeowner starts on a multi-email exchange claiming that the boat is used for morning fishing and is removed from property for 2 hours each day. (This is a lie.) After a months worth of e-mails, homeowner gets the point that the boat is not allowed and finally removes the boat."

After the 3rd email response, stop responding. The scenario you described only happens if you let it.
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
Posts: 559
Posted:
I would also add that you should first refer to your governing documents and ensure that there actually is a violation and/or the Board has authority and jurisdiction to enforce it.

See this guideline for support.
https://file.io/iprABExdSoiT
AdamL1 (UnitedStates)
Posts: 559
Posted:
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Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/01/2022 9:36 AM
When I get repeated argumentative emails, my response is "I have explained the policy/decision/board's response and it remains the final decision." Cut and paste as many times as necessary.

This is bad advice. As we often see here and in so many lawsuits, the HOA board is often wrong about their position. Being definitive and saying "final decision" exposes the HOA to litigation and liability if in fact they are wrong in their prosecution. A better response would be open meetings, hearings, documented investigation.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Adam

Reworded. This is our decision and we will not engage in any further discussion concerning it. Let them make the next move.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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Posted By AdamL1 on 02/01/2022 11:34 AM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/01/2022 9:36 AM
When I get repeated argumentative emails, my response is "I have explained the policy/decision/board's response and it remains the final decision." Cut and paste as many times as necessary.


This is bad advice. As we often see here and in so many lawsuits, the HOA board is often wrong about their position. Being definitive and saying "final decision" exposes the HOA to litigation and liability if in fact they are wrong in their prosecution. A better response would be open meetings, hearings, documented investigation.



And who, pray, facilitates the open meetings, hearings, ensures the enforcement process is documented, etc., etc.? The board, that's who. Who votes for the board - you know the answer to that. The management company works for the BOARD - or have you forgotten that? It's true some managers take advantage of a HOA board's inexperience (or laziness and sometimes both), but bad managers don't fall out of the sky. They usually do what they do because the board doesn't read the contracts and makes it clear who's in what lane.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
Posted:
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Posted By AdamL1 on 02/01/2022 11:34 AM
Posted By BarbaraT1 on 02/01/2022 9:36 AM
When I get repeated argumentative emails, my response is "I have explained the policy/decision/board's response and it remains the final decision." Cut and paste as many times as necessary.


This is bad advice. As we often see here and in so many lawsuits, the HOA board is often wrong about their position. Being definitive and saying "final decision" exposes the HOA to litigation and liability if in fact they are wrong in their prosecution. A better response would be open meetings, hearings, documented investigation.

That depends on what the final decision was. Here are some examples from my career.

1. Owner refuses to pay assessments in protest of a board decision they don't like. I explain that the obligation to pay assessments is absolute and the collections process will go forward. He eventually pays the assessment, but not the collection fees - he wants those waived. I explain that he needs to come to a board meeting and make that request to the board. He says no, it is my responsibility as the manager to advocate on his behalf and make the request for him. I explain that is not correct. He continues to email me for two years demanding that I represent him before the board. The "final decision" in that case was, come to a board meeting.

2. Owner submits an ARC request which is denied. Owner appeals to the board, who upholds denial. The entire process is handled via the requirements of the state property code and documents. Owner continues to contact me to ask how to get her request approved. The "final decision" in that case, was the outcome of the hearing. There are no options beyond the appeal hearing. (technically I suppose she has the option of suing, but it's not my job to give her legal advice.)

3. Owner complains about a neighbor. What he is complaining about is not a violation. I explain that the board can only enforce the covenants, and this isn't a subject even addressed in the covenants. The board's final decision is "this is not in the covenants and we can't just make stuff up."

4. Owner complains about a neighbor and wants a resolution that is not only not in accordance with the enforcement policy but is also illegal. The final decision is we do not commit crimes.

I'm comfortable with using "final decision" in all these scenarios but I do take your point that words matter and should be used with caution.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Agree with all who say the Board (not you) must direct your PM to NOT engage in back & forth debates with those who get these letters. Follow your governing documents and Washington state law about hearings and fines to a T.

If they're not going to cure their alleged violation, they come to a hearing and plead the case to the board or compliance Committee, which you seem to have formed. Do your docs or state law, Henry permit such a committee to levy penalties. Or must it be the Board?

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
I think the PM needs to master the phrase "Asked and answered." After saying this once, cease responding to emails from the owner that say nothing new. Continue to the notice of a fine and the offer of a hearing. All very mechanical like.

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