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ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
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As the very new President and new resident of an 18-month old HOA (since turnover), I've discovered that it's unlikely the other two Board members are going to be cooperative and meet to conduct the Association's business. In fact, we still don't have a FY2022 budget, which the Declaration/By-Laws require be presented to the Owners no later than Dec. 1st.

It's also unlikely there's 75% to remove them, and that would just push the animosity that's here to the forefront. However, the President can call a Special Meeting of the Owners if petitioned to do so by a majority of the Owners. That's probably an achievable option.

At such a meeting, can the business of the Association that would normally be conducted by the Board at a Board meeting be conducted? For instance, agents who the Board (which has never actually met) have delegated responsibilities to are supposed to have signed contracts that last no longer than a year. Can we act to end these agents acting?

The By-Laws state that no business may be transacted except as stated in the notice, but assuming the business item is on the agenda posted in the notice, the Owners can debate and decide what to do, just as if the Board is functioning normally, right? It seems the only limitation would be a new item of business no one had notice of coming can't be presented from the floor.

I need to do some planning for the rope-a-dope I'm getting from the two people I have to work with on the Board who have no concern for the fact one other person, who's not even on the Board anymore, continues to spend the Association's money with no oversight and no budget because he was once the President and got himself to be given the title of Property Manager, which he uses to generate whatever work and expenses he wants to make. They're fine with doing nothing. But a lot of people here aren't. And I think if we can take action using this method, we can get by until they term out late in the year.

Thoughts?
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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ThomasP13,

-- The Ohio HOA statute permits the President all by himself/herself to call a meeting of the owners. See https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/chapter-5312, then section-5312.04

-- I am pretty sure your Bylaws state that it is the board that has the power to make and sign contracts. The owners at an owners meeting do not have this authority. Support on this point appears at https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-5312.03 . In other words, no way no how can you lawfully call owners' meetings; make sure there is a quorum; and vote on actions for which only the board has the authority to vote.

-- Are the other directors even participating in decision-making by email?

-- The Ohio nonprofit corporation act is clear that Board actions may only be taken if there is unanimous consent from all directors to take the action without a meeting. https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-1702.25

-- Does your HOA have an attorney? If so, call the attorney, explain the situation, and ask if you can appoint new directors all by yourself because the other two are so violating every rule in the book, and it is putting the HOA at great risk since the HOA cannot lawfully transact business.
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
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Posted By AugustinD on 01/29/2022 3:51 PM
ThomasP13,

-- The Ohio HOA statute permits the President all by himself/herself to call a meeting of the owners. See https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/chapter-5312, then section-5312.04

-- I am pretty sure your Bylaws state that it is the board that has the power to make and sign contracts. The owners at an owners meeting do not have this authority. Support on this point appears at https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-5312.03 . In other words, no way no how can you lawfully call owners' meetings; make sure there is a quorum; and vote on actions for which only the board has the authority to vote.

-- Are the other directors even participating in decision-making by email?

-- The Ohio nonprofit corporation act is clear that Board actions may only be taken if there is unanimous consent from all directors to take the action without a meeting. https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-1702.25

-- Does your HOA have an attorney? If so, call the attorney, explain the situation, and ask if you can appoint new directors all by yourself because the other two are so violating every rule in the book, and it is putting the HOA at great risk since the HOA cannot lawfully transact business.

Interestingly enough, the By-Laws say,

"(B) Unless otherwise provided in the Declaration, the Association, through the
Board of Directors, may exercise all powers of the Association, including the power to do the
following:

(1) Hire and fire Managing Agents, attorneys, accountants, and other
independent contractors and employees that the Board determines are necessary or desirable in
the management of the Condominium Property and the Association."

Now, I think the argument can be made here that it's the Association that has been granted the power, and that this clause empowers the BoD to act on the Association's behalf as a practical matter, but such delegation of authority doesn't also strip the Association of other means of using its power, such as at a Special Owners Meeting. It says the Association may exercise all powers of the Association, so the Association seems to be able to order the BoD as to how it shall actually execute any given decision.

It's nice to know I can call a SOM myself, but I think politically a stronger message is sent if it's done via majority petition. If it's just me, I risk coming off as the new guy trying to take over when all I'm trying to do is get the affairs of our business in order - focusing on the process far, far more than any given decision - and end the refusal of the few old guard to share meaningful financials with Owners.

The only "business" so far that's been "agreed on" via email is one of them putting the kibosh on doing a small project that was proposed by responding "let's wait", which was the option I gave to hold it until the meeting. Other than one email from one saying they might be able to decide when to meet "after the end of this week", I don't hear boo from them. They did this to the last President, too, even refusing to give him access to any Association materials, including books and supporting documents. At least I have those and a few invoices that have been scanned. I've even been stopped by a couple people in the building and asked if they're talking to me, and when I decline to answer (I think Board dynamics should stay within the Board - I have to work with the hand the Owners deal), I get the response, "Yeah, I thought so."

If I call the attorney (who I had to on a new matter so ensure a correct response to a real estate agent, so we've actually chatted), that's going to generate a bill, and while I can probably count on their intransience and neglect to get it paid because our bookkeeper seems to just pay whatever she gets sent with no approval or oversight, I'm very reluctant to adopt tactics that, at best, skirt the right way to do things, especially since my mission is to get them, and everybody here, to start doing things not only legally and ethically, but by using best practices. I think going to the HOA attorney on my own needs to be the final option, taken only after I exhaust all others, including the pressure of a majority of the Owners letting it be known they've had enough. And that's something I think I can put together to see what happens and use whatever can be accomplished at a SOM to push forward.
AugustinD
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Posted By ThomasP13 on 01/29/2022 4:27 PM

Now, I think the argument can be made here that it's the Association that has been granted the power, and that this clause empowers the BoD to act on the Association's behalf as a practical matter, but such delegation of authority doesn't also strip the Association of other means of using its power, such as at a Special Owners Meeting. It says the Association may exercise all powers of the Association, so the Association seems to be able to order the BoD as to how it shall actually execute any given decision.
Did you read the HOA statute section to which I referred above?

From the statute I linked above:
An owners association shall administer a planned community, and a board of directors the owners elect from among the owners and their spouses shall exercise all power and authority of the owners association. See https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-5312.03

From the Ohio Nonprofit Corporation Act:
Except where the law, the articles, or the regulations require that action be otherwise authorized or taken, all of the authority of a corporation shall be exercised by or under the direction of its directors. For their own government, the directors may adopt bylaws that are not inconsistent with the articles or the regulations. See https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-1702.30

If you know what the Articles of Incorporation are, then read them as well. It's highly likely it vests nearly all decision-making power in the Board.

Do you know what "Articles of Incorporation" are?

Do you know what the hierarchy of documents when a conflict arises between, well say the Bylaws and state statute?

ThomasP13 (Ohio)
Posts: 87
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Yes, and yes. This is where it would be valuable to know what Ohio case law is, but I would agree that the OH NPCA is pretty explicit. Its language of "shall be exercised" in the context of the phrase "... require that action be... taken" seems to argue that when the "law, articles, or the regulations" say something is to be done, then the BoD is obligated to do it, and does not have the option to simply blow it off. But, I would also agree that this significantly limits the Association to take action apart from the Board that hasn't been explicitly called out for it to do so by the Owners. And that is the focus of this thread.

But this is a good discussion for me, because it helps guide the conversations I need to have. If I can get 50% simply to demand a meeting, then the challenge is to find a handful of others who are willing to acknowledge that the current obstructionists have to go, however distasteful that process may be. And being able to say, look, we clearly have to do these things, and the only body that can do them is the Board, and these people refuse to do them, then it's up to the 50% to get the holdouts turned around.

I do need to have a conversation with an HOA attorney, if for no other reason than to confirm this. Perhaps there's a decision out there that does provide a path to break up this logjam without the 75% vote to remove or forcing a group of owners to sue themselves with the intention of getting a court to make an order. You mentioned the possibility of the President being able to declare the positions empty and appointing new Board members, and I already have one person lined up. But I see so many potential pitfalls of allowing such a process that it's hard to imagine it's an option, especially because there's no attendance provision in our docs for Board members.

I'm currently creating the books for the past 15 months and discovering how much the one owner who has decided his title (granted not by the Board, but at an Owners meeting because no one here knows the difference) means he can spend whatever he wants has blown thru the Association's monies. No wonder no one's been able to get meaningful financial information.

Our By-Laws require both a minimum of a 10% reserve as part of each year's budget and to issue a special assessment after the books are closed for the year to make up any shortfall of expenses exceeding the budget. Right now, that's about $400/unit, and climbing. This isn't a suggestion; it's a requirement right in the By-Laws. And I'm pretty sure no one knows (yet) this is coming.

Thanks.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Where you'll have trouble is with quorum. If the other two board members don't want to conduct business, then it doesn't matter whether you're at a board meeting or at a special homeowner's meeting - if they don't cooperate or are not present, you alone cannot conduct association business.

You also have the issue of executive session, which is where the board deals with confidential items (eg. contracts currently under negotiation, personnel issues, dealing with violations or delinquencies, consultation with the association's attorney). These things cannot be discussed with homeowners present.

In your position I'd start planning for a "recall and replace" meeting instead. Communicate with homeowners, let them know about the consequences of the current state of affairs, and find some people who are willing to replace your dead wood. Make sure you understand the requirements for a recall and replace meeting: adequate notice, an agenda with this single item on it, and *no* other discussions conducted at the meeting. If you mess up any part of this, it can invalidate any action that was taken. If these two folks' terms are coming to an end, it can be easier to replace them at the annual meeting/election.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Oh, and definitely talk to a lawyer. What Mr. Condo Commando is doing may not rise to the level of embezzlement but it does not comply with the laws governing HOAs or nonprofit corporations. He's also unlikely to go quietly just because homeowners vote him out (he has access to the association's accounts, yes?) - so you'll need some authority on your side.
AugustinD
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Posted By ThomasP13 on 01/29/2022 7:06 PM
[snippage] the OH NPCA is pretty explicit. Its language of "shall be exercised" in the context of the phrase "... require that action be... taken" seems to argue that when the "law, articles, or the regulations" say something is to be done, then the BoD is obligated to do it, and does not have the option to simply blow it off.
Yup. And the reason you won't find case law on this point is because competent attorneys are in agreement that the Board calls nearly all the shots. Exceptions occur when, say the Bylaws or Declaration explicitly state a 'vote of the owners' is required. For example, In some states and at some HOAs/COAs, Special Assessments of a certain amount must receive owner approval. In all states, amendments to the Declaration require an owners vote.

Your further comments seem to indicate that you are still hoping that calling an owners' meeting and getting the required quorum can allow the owners to lawfully conduct business that should, per the governing documents and/or statute, be addressed instead by the board. If you take this approach, then you are breaking the law.

If you do nothing and continue with the status quo, the operations of the HOA will cease, and the Board is breaking the law.

If you persuade the manager to take direction solely from you, you are breaking the law.

If the board takes actions without a meeting without getting the required approval from all directors, then the Board and/or you are breaking the law.

What to do?

There's a reason that many Bylaws and statutes nationwide state that a director that misses two (sometimes three) or more meetings without permission yada is off the Board. The reason is that amateur, unschooled volunteer directors who pull this are stopping the business of the association dead in its tracks.

In states or at HOAs without such Bylaws or statutes, a HOA/COA is stuck. Which is why I think directors who refuse to attend meetings or comply with the requirements for action without a meeting, and so who are wantonly, willingly stopping the HOA/COA from meeting its lawful obligations, can be declared to no longer be on the Board.

I do not like making up rules. In the past, I have chastised severely those who do. But in my opinion there are occasions when there is no clear path to take except the best judgment of the Board under advice of the HOA/COA attorney. When a HOA/COA Board refuses to act per its obligations, then IMO the President is legally stuck acting alone to consult the HOA/COA attorney. Doing anything less is a violation of the President's/Director's fiduciary duty to the corporation and so on.

Again, this is for extreme situations only.

I think you really need to hear what I am saying from an attorney. Hopefully this thread prepares you for this meeting.

AugustinD
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Posted By AugustinD on 01/30/2022 6:18 AM
In states or at HOAs without such Bylaws or statutes, a HOA/COA is stuck. Which is why I think directors who refuse to attend meetings or comply with the requirements for action without a meeting, and so who are wantonly, willingly stopping the HOA/COA from meeting its lawful obligations, can be declared to no longer be on the Board.
I should qualify the above: An attempt should be made to do a proper, lawful recall of the rogue directors. But this takes time, like a month or more, easily. Plus getting a quorum of owners is often not possible. Then getting the required number of owners to vote to remove certain directors is often not possible. Meanwhile HOA/COA operations are frozen.

Talk to the HOA/COA attorney about your options.
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/30/2022 5:27 AM
Oh, and definitely talk to a lawyer. What Mr. Condo Commando is doing may not rise to the level of embezzlement but it does not comply with the laws governing HOAs or nonprofit corporations. He's also unlikely to go quietly just because homeowners vote him out (he has access to the association's accounts, yes?) - so you'll need some authority on your side.

Just before the meeting where they were going to vote him out, he did the "you can't fire me, I quit!" and resigned. The other two refused to meet with the person elected to replace him (and he was considered the Association President because everyone here just assumed officer positions are tied to the person being replaced, which is how I became President), refused to have any communications with him, and refused to give him access to any of the Association's records. He left and bought his own house, and his unit just closed.

Mr. CC is thought to continue to run things behind the scenes, and does continue to spend whatever he wants and approves his own invoices he submits to the bookkeeper, who is a friend of his. Who's going to stop him? They tried to remove the Treasurer at the same meeting, but didn't have the votes because a couple people felt they were too new to the building and abstained and one person changed her vote at the last minute because she didn't want to appear to be the reason why the Board member was removed. To complicate things more, a friend of hers just bought the unit the ignored Board member sold, and that person's real estate agent was the current Treasurer who survived the recall.

It's the same sad story. There's the way things are supposed to be, and there's the way things are. And what likely lies between is the expense of a lawyer. We'll see. I do think if we need to try recall again, I'm going to collect as many proxies as I can so people don't have to personally vote to remove, because it seems that while most people are, uhm, concerned, no one wants to be perceived as making it personal.

Maybe I should pitch a reality tv show.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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I'll dust off my usual response and note that people in troubled HOAs/COAs have three options: live with it, fix it, or move. Simple in theory but it can be difficult in practice to choose the right one.

Some situations shouldn't be lived with, and I'd find this one unacceptable.

Fixing it can involve a lot of time, effort and even legal expense. At the very least you need allies among your neighbors who will support you and take on some of the work. Recall efforts can fail if no one else is willing to step up and replace the recalled directors.

Moving may sound like the most drastic of the options but it is often the easiest of them. Whether this one works will depend how easily you can replace your current situation with something equivalent or better. It's a seller's market in many areas around the country, so probably not the best time to buy.

I hear you about the realty TV show...
ThomasP13 (Ohio)
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/30/2022 10:20 AM
I'll dust off my usual response and note that people in troubled HOAs/COAs have three options: live with it, fix it, or move. Simple in theory but it can be difficult in practice to choose the right one.

Some situations shouldn't be lived with, and I'd find this one unacceptable.

Fixing it can involve a lot of time, effort and even legal expense. At the very least you need allies among your neighbors who will support you and take on some of the work. Recall efforts can fail if no one else is willing to step up and replace the recalled directors.

Moving may sound like the most drastic of the options but it is often the easiest of them. Whether this one works will depend how easily you can replace your current situation with something equivalent or better. It's a seller's market in many areas around the country, so probably not the best time to buy.

I hear you about the realty TV show...

Yes, I agree. You've got it boiled down to the basics. I intend to fix it, because, like you, I know that while going turtle and ignoring it might suffice in the short-term, it's completely unacceptable and in the long-term my disgust with it could well wind up being expressed in unhealthy ways. And unless I win the lottery, I have no intention of moving because it's a one-of-a-kind rehab of a historic school building in an incredibly beautiful and owner-active historic neighborhood across the bridge from downtown. And my own space is almost perfectly suited for me. This is likely my last landing spot, and it offers pretty much everything I was looking for, so moving is out.

To be fair, it's not a situation, at least as far as I can tell at this point, of out-and-out kickbacks and corruption; it's just a complete lack of institutional control that is relying on one person who's done well for himself as a doctor spending the Association's money whenever he wants with the perspective that we all can afford the way he's used to spending his own personal assets not completely going off the deep end. But, as we all well know, the benevolent philosopher-king is unsustainable. There was already one big fight before I got here because he wanted to completely repave the parking lot and completely deplete the reserve to do so when, at least to my non-structural-engineer eye, it's fine, which is what everyone else thought. I have getting a reserve study done high on my priority list.

Back in the day, we had semi-monthly meetings of fellow association officers that gathered for lunch, war stories, and commiseration. It's nice to find an online replacement.

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