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Advice on how to handle a racist prank, very likely done by a Director, during a remote Board meeting

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RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Our POA had a open Board Meeting a few weeks ago. I was on the agenda to talk about my research of a management company (I basically endorsed it and gave reason - the hiring of that company is now on agenda as a vote item at the upcoming annual meeting.)

The meeting was on Zoom and all attendees, including the Board, were remote through Zoom. The first 30 minutes of the meeting was an open town all where anyone could talk or ask questions. During that town hall portion, many asked questions about the management company since that is a big endeavor.

The wife of one of the directors (that director is pro management company) asked if the management company would do anything about porta-potties in front of houses.

Context: In the Spring and early Summer a few houses had porta-potties in front of them because they had such extensive damage from the Texas-freeze, that much of the houses had to be repaired and there were fulltime construction crews there. None had porta-potties for more than a month or two, and I assume it would be an OSHA requirement. None have been in front of houses for 6+ months. So it is a non issue and seems odd to bring up at the meeting, especially in the context of asking what a management company would do about them.

She was told if it is violation then a management company would likely deal with it as part of its violation patrols. That was not enough for her and she kept asking about porta-potties. Then all of a sudden some loud, and very vulgar language was heard. It sounded like a Dave Chapelle skit - literally, I am pretty sure it was Dave Chapelle. And it was using vulgar terms about "restroom activities." After searching for Dave Chapelle toilet skits, I learned he had an ongoing skit called "Redman Potty Fresh" which was parody on the real Ty-D-Bol man commercials of the 70s (little man on a boat in commode.) I think one of those skits is what was heard.

An African American is running for a Board position - she talked during the meeting also. The director, whose wife asked about porta-potties, is thought to be actively trying to make sure the African American lady is not elected. Shortly after the meeting, the African American lady was informed by a neighbor that some others in the neighborhood are actively calling other residents to tell them that the foul language was said by the African American lady's husband.

I am suggesting a private investigator be hired to learn who played that recording. There is no excuse for this type of behavior, and if the director was involved, I think not only should he be asked to get off the Board, but he should move as well.

Any suggestions on how this should be handled?
AugustinD
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Posted By RogerJ1 on 01/25/2022 4:26 PM
Shortly after the meeting, the African American lady was informed by a neighbor that some others in the neighborhood are actively calling other residents to tell them that the foul language was said by the African American lady's husband.
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I am suggesting a private investigator be hired to learn who played that recording.
This is a lot of he said-she said and unsubstantiated guessing. Plus people are going to lie during elections. Plus the person who is being lied about may have a legal cause of action, but I think the Board here has nothing on which to base the issuance o a violation. The only action I think the Board should take is to get a person who knows how to mute inappropriate language during a Zoom meeting of the board or a Zoom meeting of the owners.
BenA2 (Texas)
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It sounds like someone played a skit with foul language and someone is spreading a false rumor about the husband of a candidate who happens to be African American. Am I missing something. Nothing in your comments makes me think racism.

Obviously, if people don't want her because of her race, that is racist and unacceptable, but nothing you wrote implies that race is a motive.
SheliaH (Indiana)
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I'm African American and part of me wonders if someone hacked your Zoom meeting. Recently, I attended a gathering of my church community garden and the conversation turned to an incident that occurred during a new members virtual meeting. Anyone can attend, as the Zoom information is on our website.

During the session, the leaders were doing the usual meet and greet when they got to none person who wasn't on the screen. Suddenly everyone saw a bunch of very graphic lien - everyone logged off quickly,but a few more people came in late and of course the lien was still there. It happened again a few days later during a men's bible study class. I have heard of similar things happening to other African-American groups of all types around the country.

Dave chappelle has a pretty distinct voice (contrary to what some people think, we don't call look, dress, think, talk or act alike), so for people to think the candidate's husband would break into a comedy routine of any type in the middle of a HOA meeting is just dumb. Apparently, they can't think of a legitimate reason not to cast a vote for her, so they come up with this nonsense.

So, how to address this? First, the board may want to issue a statement apologizing for the interruption and make It clear whoever did this isn't cute. You might want to offer a reward for information that will help find the culprit. I 'd also contact zoom and see if there's something You can do to reduce the chance of this happening again.

It may be some kid or adult thought this would be cute (it's not) when the directors side started going on about the porta potties. It could have been a relative, so it may be worth having a chat with that to see if he and the wife know where their children (or other relatives and friends are doing).

That said, you don't have proof (yet) the wife is behind it ( and it could easily be someone else) Perhaps you can talk to the neighbor who tipped off the candidate (in confidence, of course) and see if she or her has ideas who's behind this and what they've heard. After that, keep listening and watching - idiots have a habit of being found out.

In the meantime, make it clear the elections will be run in a fair wsy. You may not be able to dictate how people feel about each other, but when the community gathers, you can take steps to foster a civil atmosphere.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/25/2022 5:21 PM
I'm African American and part of me wonders if someone hacked your Zoom meeting. Recently, I attended a gathering of my church community garden and the conversation turned to an incident that occurred during a new members virtual meeting. Anyone can attend, as the Zoom information is on our website.


It ran into the porta-potty questions as if it was a script because it started of saying something along the lines "you aint ganna tell me where to "sh%t" followed by other foul mouth stuff related to relieving oneself." Coincidences are coincidences but the way this sounded like a reply to what was being said by the director's wife was completely in sync. I think it ended with something like "I will sh%t on your white a$$."
RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/25/2022 5:21 PM

Dave chappelle has a pretty distinct voice (contrary to what some people think, we don't call look, dress, think, talk or act alike), so for people to think the candidate's husband would break into a comedy routine of any type in the middle of a HOA meeting is just dumb. Apparently, they can't think of a legitimate reason not to cast a vote for her, so they come up with this nonsense.


I completely agree with this. I never watched Chapelle except seeing people link skits on message forums etc. I suspect he is more popular among suburban whites than African Americans. His humor plays on black stereotypes.
AugustinD
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Posted By RogerJ1 on 01/25/2022 5:36 PM
I completely agree with this. I never watched Chapelle except seeing people link skits on message forums etc. I suspect he is more popular among suburban whites than African Americans. His humor plays on black stereotypes.
If his humor 'playing on black stereotypes' (according to you) is so deplorable, how come "woke" communities from SNL (as recently as Nov, 2020) to the Kennedy Center to the Emmy awards have embraced him?

Ever notice how SNL plays on white stereotypes?

I support the Board condemning the interruption. Else I think making this into a huge issue is going to cause more problems than it solves.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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It should be noted as someone else commented that Zoom meetings are easily hackable. That is why my work does NOT allow Zoom meetings. Plus who is to say that someone's teenage kid or someone over hearing the conversation didn't do it as a joke in the back ground? Heck even the President of the United States has said some things on a "hot mic" that was inappropriate.

Sounds like someone was on the losing end of the port a potty debate and now wants to distract from the issue. It's time to stop dwelling on the incident and even keel the ship. Which means stop spending time and effort on any of it. Just remind people to keep TV's/Radios turned down or off when having a meeting. Also put out there that Zoom meeting are NOT always "private". Especially if you have a meeting indicating it's HOA related. There are some people whom just love to troll those types of things. We experience that on this forum on occasion as well.

If someone can't take a joke on the subject no matter who is telling it then that is on them. Did not realize I had to be a certain color to get a joke. I watch the Jeffersons and Good Times just as much as I watch "I Love Lucy". I will ask about anyone "What you talkin about Willis"? Would that need an investigation and accusation of racism? I just like my "80's" catch phrases. So Kiss my grits!

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
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Posted By AugustinD on 01/25/2022 6:55 PM
Posted By RogerJ1 on 01/25/2022 5:36 PM
I completely agree with this. I never watched Chapelle except seeing people link skits on message forums etc. I suspect he is more popular among suburban whites than African Americans. His humor plays on black stereotypes.
If his humor 'playing on black stereotypes' (according to you) is so deplorable, how come "woke" communities from SNL (as recently as Nov, 2020) to the Kennedy Center to the Emmy awards have embraced him?

Ever notice how SNL plays on white stereotypes?

I support the Board condemning the interruption. Else I think making this into a huge issue is going to cause more problems than it solves.



Dave Chappelle goes after EVERYONE - go to YouTube and check out his take on Jussie Smollett...and the Racial Draft from the Dave Chappelle show (which I personally think should be a TV series!)

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
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Posted By SheliaH on 01/25/2022 5:21 PM
You might want to offer a reward for information that will help find the culprit.
I like it. I would support advertising a reward for anyone providing evidence of who the jerk was. I think maybe this has deterrent value. Put the expense (of the reward) under one of those generic categories covering "well-being" and the like of the community.

I think the husband (or couple) who is being alleged, in gossip, to be the one who interrupted the meeting maybe should be asked if he wants to make a statement at a meeting or by any other reasonable mechanism. Ya know: To be considerate (seriously) of people's feelings, and to show this board appreciates not one bit what transpired at the meeting nor the vicious gossip that supposedly is happening in the wake of the meeting.
BillD16 (Texas)
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I’m with AugustinD: someone should have been moderating the meeting, and they should have muted the audio as soon as it was apparent that some kind of prank was happening. I don’t mean to second-guess you, but I think hiring a PI etc is a bit much based on this single incident. If it becomes a pattern … maybe then.

If it were me, I’d simply find out who was moderating the call and ask them if they could be a bit more diligent about muting inappropriate content. It might simply be a matter of training - even after a couple of years of Covid, I’ve encountered a lot of people ā€œrunningā€ videoconferences by virtue of position and with little understanding of how it works.

Finally: pulling up a bit of DC schtick about portapotties isn’t something that would require massive planning; if you’re sitting at a network-connected computer anyhow, it’d maybe take 30 seconds to find something on YouTube. A couple of months ago I was on a conference call coming back from a break and I pulled up and played the beginning of Emerson, Lake, and Palmer’s ā€œKaren Evil #9, 1st Impression, Pt 2ā€ (ā€œWelcome back my friends / To the show that never endsā€). Inappropriate? Maybe. But ā€œwe live in the days of miracle and wonderā€, and it takes maybe 15 seconds to go from ā€œideaā€ to ā€œimplementationā€.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€
RogerJ1 (Texas)
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Posted By BillD16 on 01/26/2022 8:10 AM
I’m with AugustinD: someone should have been moderating the meeting, and they should have muted the audio as soon as it was apparent that some kind of prank was happening. I don’t mean to second-guess you, but I think hiring a PI etc is a bit much based on this single incident. If it becomes a pattern … maybe then.

If it were me, I’d simply find out who was moderating the call and ask them if they could be a bit more diligent about muting inappropriate content. It might simply be a matter of training - even after a couple of years of Covid, I’ve encountered a lot of people ā€œrunningā€ videoconferences by virtue of position and with little understanding of how it works.

BillD

The director, whose wife was speaking, was in control of the controls, and has shown he will mute others pretty quickly but did not mute this incident...???
BillD16 (Texas)
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Posted By RogerJ1 on 01/26/2022 5:43 PM
Posted By BillD16 on 01/26/2022 8:10 AM
I’m with AugustinD: someone should have been moderating the meeting, and they should have muted the audio as soon as it was apparent that some kind of prank was happening. I don’t mean to second-guess you, but I think hiring a PI etc is a bit much based on this single incident. If it becomes a pattern … maybe then.

If it were me, I’d simply find out who was moderating the call and ask them if they could be a bit more diligent about muting inappropriate content. It might simply be a matter of training - even after a couple of years of Covid, I’ve encountered a lot of people ā€œrunningā€ videoconferences by virtue of position and with little understanding of how it works.

BillD


The director, whose wife was speaking, was in control of the controls, and has shown he will mute others pretty quickly but did not mute this incident...???

So … you think this director - who was running the meeting - played the DC schtick while his own wife was talking, and intentionally didn’t mute it (because this would somehow undermine a black woman who was running for the Board)?

I’m clearly not really seeing whatever it is you are seeing in this incident. But against my better judgement, I’ll ask: was the session recorded? If so, can you get ahold of a recording? I lose track of all of the different VC systems and their individual characteristics, but at least some of them will display a ā€œVU-meterā€ indication of the audio input level from each participant. Or sometimes they’ll highlight the ā€˜active’ speaker at any given time. And some systems allow only a single speaker at a time … sorry, my point is: see if you can get a recording and see if it can offer any indication about what happened.

Or maybe just ask the director: ā€œSo you were running the videoconference the other night? What was the deal with that Dave Chapell thing?ā€

I get the sense that you think this director person is a racist a-hole? I’m personally not a fan of racism, but I don’t think it’s currently illegal (in the USA) and I doubt there are any laws or by-laws that could force them off the Board (or out of the neighborhood) purely for being a racist a-hole. Your POA by-laws might provide a process for voting them off of the Board (often via a majority vote of residents) - so if you simply want them off of the Board, you could perhaps convince a majority of residents that this person is unfit for the job and get them kicked? Gotta be honest: what you’ve presented so far has been less than convincing. Sorry.

BillD

HOA Board ex-President
Austin, Texas USA

ā€œYou can’t put too much water in a nuclear reactorā€

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