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MarniD (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
We have been turned over and now are an HOA, we have an elected board. The Developer still has 2 parcels he has plans for in this master association and to that end he retains control of the retention ponds (dry) and it appears all the commons areas as well. The tax office shows that those are owned by the Master. We have had a severe problem with trespassers and theft by people coming through the retention ponds, peeping into windows and this is a huge concern to those living on these ponds. Who is responsible for this problem? There are no fences or barriers, we asked for them and were told the developer would not provide it and the HOA will not as well. If we want to construct a fence or put up barriers at our own expense, who would we get permission from, the HOA or the Master. Since the HOA is not the owner of the ponds and the Master is, it seems the Master would make that decision? Thanks
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Not arguing, but it seems odd for the HOA to be under homeowner control and not have control of the common areas. Unless all of the common areas are in the parcels still owned by the developer and these contain the pond? Even if this were the case, he in no longer in control of the HOA and would have to abide by decisions made by the board. I'm assuming that these parcels are part of the HOA according to your CC&Rs.

Do you have an association attorney or someone you could talk to to verify your interpretation of what the board can and can't do?
MarniD (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
I have no idea what is going on in our community. It all seems very strange to me as a home-owner. The tax documents show the developer as the owner of the property's that are commons. Our community gives all the dues we collect to the Master and he pays the bills, leaving us with a very small amount left over at the end of the year. We had a dispute with the developer who gave permission to plant some trees to block off the entrance to the pond and then after the HOA complained, the developer said he never gave permission, but it's weird because the HOA is not the owner of the pond, so who makes those decisions?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
This is general info:

Usually what happens that your Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions (aka CC&Rs, aka that thick wad of paper you should have received when you bought your home) will describe your HOA including plat maps. The CC&Rs also spell out when the HOA is to be turned over to homeowner control - this is usually based on the percentage of homes sold but may include other milestones as well.

Once homeowners have control, the developer may still be a member of the association if he still owns lots inside of the HOA property but he will not be able to make decisions - and he would not be collecting assessments at that point. The HOA should have one or more accounts at a bank with the HOA as the owner. Assessments should be going into one of those accounts.

Depending on the size of the community, you may be self managed (in which case the Treasurer will be acting as a bookkeeper, will deposit assessment, and will pay the bills) or you may employ a professional manager who will handle the bookkeeping duties.

* End of general info *

It sounds like your transition to homeowner control either didn't happen smoothly or else something else is going on. For instance, the developer's lots may be part of a sub-association. Or your home may be in a sub-association that has its own board that manages only your area, and the developer's lots are part of the Master association. Sounds sort of like the latter but I'd have to read your CC&Rs and bylaws to figure it out.

Without sorting it out, it's hard to give suggestions on how to deal with the common areas. The bigger problem is the trespassers. Ideally any elected HOA board members could work with the developer on a solution since it sounds like he's still a player in this. And if he intends to develop his parcels, then he has an interest in not letting strangers come onto the property and damage things (or get hurt and sue everyone). I'd suggest the board meet with the developer, point out that you all share an interest in dealing with the trespassers, and see what he says.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Most every HOA works that way with fences. The HOA is NOT responsible for paying/installing/maintaining fences. They are in the business of approving what you want to build at your own expense. Which varies of what is required. Some allow wood, vinyl, or iron fences. Others do not. Seems your not wanting to ask the Master because you think they can control it somehow? All they can do is say yes or no to your request to install a fence. Seems if you just ask or the others, then it may be approved. Waiting to make EVERYONE pay for YOUR fence isn't going to happen.

Former HOA President
MarniD (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
The owners of the homes on the affected area of trespassing collected enough funds to put the trees in, but the developer then backed away from that permission and left it up to the HOA board who then denied and made us take out the trees. We are left with an area that is breached daily by those who walk into our yards uninhibited. The only thing the HOA put in in was a no trespassing sign which is ignored. We have called the police, but they can't do anything unless they are caught in the act. We are just destined to have this happen. According to the HOA if anyone gets injured in the pond, they can't sue the HOA because of the signs, but of course, what about the home owners who endure this? It's a real problem for us. No one expects others to put in a fence for us, we purchased our lots but we thought at least if we all paid for it (those who live on the pond) , we could secure our homes, but we cannot do this. However, again, the HOA doesn't even have ownership of the ponds, they are owned by the Master.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I thought the stance of the Master is if you want a fence you all have to pay for them yourselves. So what is stopping you all from doing that? Afraid the Master is going to say no? Plus most likely would tell you what type and kind you must have if you did install one. My HOA you have to have a shadow box and a dark brown stain. It has to be made of wood. I simply filled out a form with our MC and it was approved for me to hire a contractor to do it per the specs.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Marni

Seems like you all installed tress without the HOA's permission. If you are going to install fences be sure to get the HOA's permission. Most HOA's will have fence restrictions on things such as height, style, color, material, etc. Be sure to find out what you can and cannot do.
MarniD (Florida)
Posts: 39
Posted:
Yes, we had permission of the developer who then said he did not sanction it. He even sent a plat on where to plant the trees. It's unfortunate but it was not in writing. I still need to know however, who is the person who makes decisions when it comes to property that is not owned by the HOA but the Master. I had asked the developer this at one time and he stated it would be him, so I am sort of confused why he backed out of the agreement with the home-owners. As long as he has control, we do not have an HOA in my opinion.
TonyN2 (Illinois)
Posts: 62
Posted:
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Posted By CathyA3 on 01/01/2022 11:17 AM
Not arguing, but it seems odd for the HOA to be under homeowner control and not have control of the common areas. Unless all of the common areas are in the parcels still owned by the developer and these contain the pond? Even if this were the case, he in no longer in control of the HOA and would have to abide by decisions made by the board. I'm assuming that these parcels are part of the HOA according to your CC&Rs.

Do you have an association attorney or someone you could talk to to verify your interpretation of what the board can and can't do?

Some of our governing documents actually say that the developer still have authority to even create new by-laws whenever they want up to a certain amount of time. I would still tell OP to be cautious of this and check his documents to be sure.

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