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ArthurL1 (Texas)
Posts: 3
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Hi all, I'm on the board of our small 30-unit community and I believe my neighbor (and live-in boyfriend) are dealing drugs both inside and outside the gates of our community. Both HPD and HPD Narcotics have been notified but they seem hesitant to do anything unless a crime is in progress which is hard to prove given the nature of the short duration of my neighbor's transactions. They also do not seem interested in the Ring video I've compiled that spans about two months of activity (https://bit.ly/TinAlleyActivity). Does anyone have any experience dealing with an issue like this?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Police hands are tied. Unless a crime happens in front of their eyes, it doesn't happen. Camera footage may help with a court case if charges were brought. Otherwise, until the police see an actual "hand-off" or make a deal themselves undercover, not much can happen. Just keep calling the police. This isn't a HOA responsiblity for illegal activity. Just call the police to handle.

I will also note. We have a city here that if someone is convicted of drug dealing, their home is condemned by the city. You may check locally your city's stance. My brother lived in an apartment that the other side dealt drugs. The building was a converted garage owner cut in half for 2 apartments. The entire building was condemned even though my brother had not a thing to do with drugs. (He was more likely the guy who called it in...)

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BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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What the police can do in a situation like this comes down to resources. Many departments simply do not have the number of officers necessary to go after the small stuff. Of course, ignoring the small stuff causes the the big stuff to get worse, so that strategy never works.

I suggest you call the police every time you see something suspicious. If the police do not respond, keep going up the ladder. If you have a police department, the chief has to answer to the the city council. If you have a sheriff's department, the sheriff has to answer to the voters.

I have over twenty years in law enforcement, two working narcotics. The police do not have to see a crime to take action, that is a myth. All they need is suspicion to start an investigation. The reality is that neighborhoods with people who complain constantly (the squeaky wheel) are the ones that get response. I probably do not have to tell you that it will only get worse if left to fester.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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It may help to educate the neighbourhood on signs of drug dealing so if they do call the police they have useful information (starting with dates and times). I did a Google search that pulled up severable and you could also viscosity your police department to see what sort of stuff comes up regularly in your community.

Post an article in your community newsletter or website - You don't have to say "we are concerned that the people in unit 12 are dealing meth". You can state that the board will publish tips from the police on crime prevention (and do it), starting with possible signs of drug dealing. That's one way these people will get the message the neighbors are on to them.

To wit - A few years ago, one of the rental units in my community was the subject of complaints because all sorts of people were stopping by all day and all night, nothing up our limited parking space. One neighbor came to a board meeting and complained about it, and after some discussion, our security officers (also off duty cops) said they'd stop by and talk to the tenant. The property manager also sent a friendly reminder to the owner/landlord.

It so happened the live in girlfriend of one of the tenants was there (she'd had a question about the lawn care or something), and after hearing all this, she said her boyfriend was in the music business and that's why he had so many visitors, but she'd talk to him. A few weeks later, they moved out. I don't know if they really were in the music business, the drug dealing business, or both, but it solved the problem.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
ArthurL1 (Texas)
Posts: 3
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Thanks! I'll check out our local rules re: home being condemned by the city if someone is convicted of dealing.
ArthurL1 (Texas)
Posts: 3
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Thanks everyone! Some good advice here for sure. Much appreciated. I'm definitely going the squeaky wheel approach. I actually caught a break last night when one of my neighbor's known accomplices showed up and parked in a fire lane. HPD came out and although the car was gone when they arrived, they took a full statement including makes/models/plates of all known accomplices. I think it helped that the car that was illegally parked had fake plates (HPD ran them right there). So now I at least have an incident report to reference when I go into the local precinct to file a report and submit video (assuming they'll accept it), notify the Sherriff's office, and contact our local council member.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
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You might want to talk with your sheriff's vice department, and if in city, talk to the police's vice department. One of those might place an officer in your community to catch the people.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
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Crime stoppers is also fairly popular in Texas. Influential people often sit on its local boards. It might take interest in your concerns.
RogerJ1 (Texas)
Posts: 550
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You wrote HPD. I assume Houston? My neighbor, who is no longer with us, was very involved with the Houston chapter of Crime Stoppers. They seem very active. If you are in Houston, definitely contact Crime Stoppers.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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I think Shlia has some very good ideas about educating your residents for you, Arthur.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Not much you can do about speculation. We had a rental house that was SWAT raided, only then were we able to hit the homeowner with a compliance letter, call them to a hearing and issue a $1000.00 fine
for threatening the safety and welfare of the neighborhood. What does your governing documents say about serious fines and calling the owner to a hearing? Is the a rental house?
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By ArthurL1 on 12/25/2021 7:36 PM
Hi all, I'm on the board of our small 30-unit community and I believe my neighbor (and live-in boyfriend) are dealing drugs both inside and outside the gates of our community. Both HPD and HPD Narcotics have been notified but they seem hesitant to do anything unless a crime is in progress which is hard to prove given the nature of the short duration of my neighbor's transactions. They also do not seem interested in the Ring video I've compiled that spans about two months of activity (https://bit.ly/TinAlleyActivity). Does anyone have any experience dealing with an issue like this?

Arthur,

I would continue to quietly report suspicious activity to the police department even if it means not using 9-1-1 and just calling the station. Besides, the police will not tell you they are interested in the activity even if they are very much interested. If you are in smaller town, they may already know and don't wish to possess anything belonging you (a 3rd party) that becomes part of their case. Odds are that you don't want this either.

Much like an HOA complaint, the person filing a complaint is not subject to being included in the HOA response to the offender.
BillyC3 (Kansas)
Posts: 40
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Don't forget about the risk to yourself and your family.

Drugs don't come out of a vacuum. There's a dealer and a distributor and whatnot, and a lot of money involved. Police themselves may be involved in part of it if it's gone on for a while. If your neighbor finds out that it's you who's turning them in (and they most certainly will), expect your car to get vandalized, or pet go missing, or worse.

Prepare yourself and your family with the training and tools to defend themselves before you take this any further.

Stock up on cameras with OFF SITE cloud recording that your next of kin can access, and do not leave your home any more unless you're armed -- even to get mail or walk the dog. Your neighbors know when you do those things and they could easily use such opportunities to confront you.

If your concern is simply that consenting adults are engaging in commerce of a substance under prohibition.... Tread carefully, and make sure this is worth the risk involved. You may be creating very dangerous, and potentially unstable enemies. I wish you safety, tranquility, and peace. Good luck.

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