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LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Our covenants provide that the HOA will maintain the front of yard landscaping. Previous boards went along with the direction of the PM to include replacing dead or dying plants, bushes trees. Replacing trees
with evasive root systems and repair and replacing watering clocks and their components, i.e. back flow regulator, piping, water emitters, watering clocks, tubing, pipes etc.

Several times per year the water authority mandates that the watering clocks get changed to reflect seasonal water usage. That task is included in the landscaping maintenance contract. Recently a hometown
contacted the board requesting a refund to their water bill to cover the overage. Their claim is the landscapers incorrectly set the water clock causing the irrigation system to run continuously over 24 hours
causing their high water bill. After a series of back and forth emails, we the board decided to deny the request to refund the water overage.

Now the owner has hired an attorney and filed a complaint with the ombudsman office. The board position is we do not want to be bullied into paying someones water bill. If the water was flowing for over a 24 hour
period, someone should have noticed it and turned off the water to the irrigation "a home owner responsibility" We feel this water overage could have been from anything from a leaky toilet flapper or someone
turning the spigot on and letting it flow.

My position is we shouldn't be bullied into paying, this will only lead to more irresponsible water usage and people demanding refunds. I further feel that the board should redefine what "it" is and the IT
is re-defining what maintenance includes and excludes. Below is the covenant on the issue. The way I read is is the BOD can include what it is in the rules and regs and not have to amend the CC&R's to define it.

9.12 Landscaping. Within one -(I) year after conveyance of a Lot from Declarant to
an Owner, each Owner shall install landscaping improvements on all portions of such Owner's
Lot, including, but not limited to, side and rear yards. Prior _to installation, the landscaping
improvements described herein as -well as all other landscaping improvements on any other
portion of a Lot must be approved by the Architectural Committee in accordance with Article 5
of this Declaration. Front yard landscaping shall be installed by the Declarant. After
installation, the Association shall be obligated to maintain the front yard landscaping on all lots.
Each Owner of Lot hereby grants to the Association, its agents and assigns, an easement onto the
Lot for purposes of fulfilling the Association's maintenance obligations. The Board of Directors
may establish such additional Rules and Regulations relating to the maintenance of the front
yards as may be required. Such Rules and Regulations may include a description of the scope of
maintenance, the timing of such maintenance, and any other issue that may arise from time to
time.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
It may be easier to set a policy saying exactly what you've suggested. Homeowners know this happens every year and it's their responsibility to check their plumbing to ensure its working properly. If there could be an issue with the landscaping irrigation system, why didn't the homeowner contact the property manager so it could be inspected?

For now let the ombudsman review this and sergeant happens - he or she may agree with you. In the meantime, give the association attorney a heads up just in case you lose. It may be necessary to discuss this with the landscaping company - if they DID set the system incorrectly, it would appear they should pay.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
The Attorney years ago reviewed the Association's maintenance plan and it goes above what any maintenance is. The Rules and Regs has nothing in regards to front yard maintenance.
The landscaper was notified and did not could not duplicate the owners concern.

The question remains, since the HOA trims the bushes, trees and shrubs. Should the HOA have to replace dead, or dying plants.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LetA on 12/23/2021 3:07 PM
The Attorney years ago reviewed the Association's maintenance plan and it goes above what any maintenance is. The Rules and Regs has nothing in regards to front yard maintenance.
The landscaper was notified and did not could not duplicate the owners concern.

The question remains, since the HOA trims the bushes, trees and shrubs. Should the HOA have to replace dead, or dying plants.


Let

Our landscaper also trims trees and bushes and if overall things are not dying, we say he is not causing any damage so it is the owners responsibility. We have had dead grass where the owner wanted to blame the landscaper. We said look at the lawns beside your home, lawns across the street, and lawns in general. The landscaper is not killing anything. It is on your dime to repair or replace. Same argument.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 12/24/2021 11:15 AM
Posted By LetA on 12/23/2021 3:07 PM
The Attorney years ago reviewed the Association's maintenance plan and it goes above what any maintenance is. The Rules and Regs has nothing in regards to front yard maintenance.
The landscaper was notified and did not could not duplicate the owners concern.

The question remains, since the HOA trims the bushes, trees and shrubs. Should the HOA have to replace dead, or dying plants.



Let

Our landscaper also trims trees and bushes and if overall things are not dying, we say he is not causing any damage so it is the owners responsibility. We have had dead grass where the owner wanted to blame the landscaper. We said look at the lawns beside your home, lawns across the street, and lawns in general. The landscaper is not killing anything. It is on your dime to repair or replace. Same argument.

Add to that all components of the irrigation system, i.e. the watering clock, back flow valve, pipes et.

I made a motion to to ament the rules and regs to define what maintenance is. JMHO the HOA should be responsible for trimming, pruning and the blowing of leaves, debris from the front of yards.
I would go as far as saying yes to changing the watering clocks too, but in light of this situation, The HOAs should stay away from the watering clock to avoid issues like these.

Let the homeowners be responsible for the cost of new trees, bushes, shrubs and components of the irrigation system.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
It seems your HOA would need to continue its landscape management operations for homeowners as defined.

Regarding the irrigation, the Homeowner had an obligation to report a 24-hour, continuously running lawn watering and apparently did not do so. That's no reason to change rules if, otherwise, your landscape operation is fundamentally sound and the community is satisfied.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KellyM3 on 12/24/2021 12:22 PM
It seems your HOA would need to continue its landscape management operations for homeowners as defined.

Regarding the irrigation, the Homeowner had an obligation to report a 24-hour, continuously running lawn watering and apparently did not do so. That's no reason to change rules if, otherwise, your landscape operation is fundamentally sound and the community is satisfied.


That is the issue Kerry, It is NOT defined. so far it has been assumed.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
That was, Kelly, LetA., but I agree with her/him.

LetA wrote: "...the IT is re-defining what maintenance includes and excludes. Below is the covenant on the issue. The way I read is is the BOD can include what it is in the rules and regs and not have to amend the CC&R's to define it."

So....is there disagreement among board members about what obligations you want the HOA to handle that you wan to spell out in your rules?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
That was, Kelly, LetA., but I agree with her/him.

LetA wrote: "...the IT is re-defining what maintenance includes and excludes. Below is the covenant on the issue. The way I read is is the BOD can include what it is in the rules and regs and not have to amend the CC&R's to define it."

So....is there disagreement among board members about what obligations you want the HOA to handle that you wan to spell out in your rules?
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
The PM replied back earlier that the R&R change will be added to the agenda for the next board meeting. There we will hash out what the definition of maintenance is.
Might even throw in it is the homeowners responsibility to check for leaks etc. After we hash out all that, we are going to run it by the lawyer for the opinion and legal wording.

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