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MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
In my town we have ordinances stating that dogs must be on leash except in specific circumstances and owners must pick up waste immediately when it's deposited on any "street, sidewalk, public way, play area or common grounds owned jointly by the members of a homeowners or condominium association, or upon private property without permission of the occupant of said property"

The former isn't being followed and I've been rushed by this owners dogs 3 times now as the owners have let the 2 dogs off-leash out into the front yard to poop. I've been either passing by the front of the house or several yards down the street at the time.

The latter ordinance isn't being followed resulting in that the easement portion of their front yard, the section between the sidewalk and the street, has become a toilet.

So here's my conundrum...

I'd go try to talk to this homeowner, owner to owner, except that I'm also the HOA president. Even if I approach this person, who I don't know, as another owner I have no doubt that it will be interpreted as the evil HOA president telling them what to do.

I could simply report this to the city and see what happens or I could bring this issue before the HOA as an official homeowner complaint. I have audio and photos as proof of the problems which would at least be enough to discuss if this rises to something that can be covered under the "nuisance" clause we have.

"5.03 Nuisance. No owner of a Lot or Dwelling shall do or permit to be done any act, or accumulate any items or animals upon his property which is, or may become, a nuisance. "

We do not have any specific rules in our CCRs covering animal ownership or care. Anything we quote when communicating to the homeowner would either be 5.03 or city/county statutes.

Thoughts?
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
MichaelH34, you posted that the dog has rushed you. This is dangerous. Don't your covenants say anything about unsafe situations?

Dogs that are unsafe comes up here a lot. I believe a number of law firms sites discuss such dogs.

I would report the situation to the police or city code enforcement. I would then vote to consult the HOA attorney about what steps the HOA should take.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By AugustinD on 12/17/2021 4:42 PM
Don't your covenants say anything about unsafe situations?
Pardon. I meant 'unsafe situations caused on common areas, caused by an owner.'
MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
The closest thing we've got to that is this:

"8.02 Purpose of Assessments. The Annual and special Assessments provided for herein shall be used for the general purposes of promoting the recreational, health, safety, welfare,
common benefit and enjoyment of the Owners and Occupants of the Development"
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By MichaelH34 on 12/17/2021 5:03 PM
The closest thing we've got to that is this:

"8.02 Purpose of Assessments. The Annual and special Assessments provided for herein shall be used for the general purposes of promoting the recreational, health, safety, welfare,
common benefit and enjoyment of the Owners and Occupants of the Development"
Do the covenants give the board the authority to make reasonable rules concerning the use of the common areas?
MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
It does though most of these interactions have happened while I've been on city property. Tonight was the first time the dog(s) have left homeowner property to bark at me and my pup. At that point, we were all on a city street a few yards from the owners driveway
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
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Posted By MichaelH34 on 12/17/2021 5:09 PM
It does though most of these interactions have happened while I've been on city property. Tonight was the first time the dog(s) have left homeowner property to bark at me and my pup. At that point, we were all on a city street a few yards from the owners driveway
If these incidents are occurring on city property, then I think your best bet is to seek a remedy through the city's code enforcement division.

Dog bites are a big deal. City staff know this. I can rattle off three people whom I personally know who were severely bitten by dogs in the last decade.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
Is your HOA gated or are the sidewalks and streets owned by the city? Even if the city owns the streets and sidewalks, your HOA can take action. What does your governing documents say about dogs and leashes?
Separately what does your docs say about nuisances and or creating dangerous situations? It should be reasonable that any association gated or not should have verbiage about dogs and leashes.

A warning letter should suffice with the threat of further action by the board if this continues.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
It sounds like a stretch to say your covenant on nuisances covers dogs pooping and running loose. You do not give up rights as a citizen just because you are the president. I would make clear to the person that you are speaking to them as a neighbor, not as president. That eliminates any misunderstanding. If talking to them doesn't work, turn them into the city. They have the clear authority to take action.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
The city ordinance clearly covers common areas in an HOA and private property. Whether or not the streets are public or private is irrelevant.
MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
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Posted By BenA2 on 12/17/2021 6:28 PM
The city ordinance clearly covers common areas in an HOA and private property. Whether or not the streets are public or private is irrelevant.

It really isn't.

It's relevant as to if HOA CCRs apply.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Here is the problem,

The HOA has limited enforcement issues in this area.
When this issue arrived at our board, we sent a letter to the owner reminding them of the local laws.
We also sent a letter to the complainer advising them that the owner was informed and that if there are future issues, they should contact animal control who has the authority to issue fines and, if needed, to impound the animal.

We also realized that our pet policy was lacking. Therefore, we adopted a better policy specifying that the county has the authority to enforce leash laws, etc. and what the board would do when complaints were received.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Animal control issue. End of drama.

Former HOA President
MichaelH34 (North Carolina)
Posts: 179
Posted:
Oh, I'm pretty sure that won't end the drama. :-)
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 12/18/2021 6:49 AM
Animal control issue. End of drama.

Put it in someone else's front yard.

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