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LoriM15 (Florida)
Posts: 1,009
Posted:
The irrigation contractor for the master association in our community (covers only the common property, not the homes) is the husband of our PM. A previous board chose him as our vendor. The PM supervises his work and codes his invoices, but our treasurer approves the invoices. We have access to all the invoices. I just reviewed the last 6 months and do not find any issues.

He is a very good vendor, reasonably priced, and an all around good guy. He does a lot of little things for the community (and his wife) without charging. We have a lot of elderly homeowners and he has trimmed branches and done other small things for these people just to help.

He also does private work for the homeowners. I used him to do some sprinkler work for me (I'm on the board - I paid the going rate - no discounts).

We have an ex-board member who does not like our PM. He and one other person in his sub-association (that uses a different irrigation contractor) feel that it is a conflict of interest to use a vendor that is related to the PM. They have complained about this many times, but they have no control over the vendors the master association uses.

Today I got a complaint from this ex-board member because the contact information of the vendor was included in our last monthly newsletter. We have a section where the PM lists numbers for reputable contractors. They do not pay us to be included, but the list includes pressure washing and tree trimming contractors that the master uses and who have done a good job and are licensed and insured. The ex-board member is pushing once again to get the PM disciplined, saying that she is out of line adding her husband's company to the list.

The ex-board member is really difficult to deal with since he thinks he's still on the board, so it would be easy for me to dismiss his complaint. Any thoughts?

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
On one hand, the PM does not select the vendors or approve paying invoices, it's the board that does this.

On the other hand, if it is the PM's job to supervise contractors and deal with any issues that arise. this is clearly a problem. She has a vested interest in concealing any problems that do arise and making her husband's performance look better than it is. Not saying that this is happening - it sounds like it isn't. But if you put two less honest or competent people into these roles, you see why this isn't a good idea. And if the PM and hubby suddenly have marital issues, you'd potentially have the opposite problem.

It's tough and I'm not sure what I'd do. The optics aren't good, which is why some folks are squawking. But if there aren't issues now, I'd be reluctant to get rid of a contractor who does good work. There's also the possibility that the PM would resign. I also don't know what you could do to minimize the possibility things going sideways other than having something of a firewall between the two, and that could prevent the PM from carrying out part of her duties.

We've had similar discussions around here in the past - for example: a board member owns a landscaping company and do you allow the company to bid on HOA jobs? That's more clearly a problem. Opinions were divided. One poster suggested that all bids be submitted blind so that the board didn't know the companies' names and that the board member/owner had to recuse himself from all discussions and voting. But you'd still have the issue of performance and other board members' possible reluctance to address things that would have been flagged otherwise.

Hopefully some others have helpful suggestions.
HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336
Posted:
What is said in your bylaws or ccrs regarding conflict of interest? If not prohibited in ccrs, you are fine in opinion
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Lori

mY OPTICS ARE CAN THE COMPLAINING, EX-bod mEMBER WHO STILL THINKS HE IS IN CHARGE CAN SEE MY MIDDLE FINGER RAISED TO HIM?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Conflict of interest rules usually apply to people like the board members who have a fiduciary duty to the association.

The PM is a hired contractor, same as her husband, so doesn't have the same duty of care as board members. Contractors' obligations are spelled out in their contracts with the HOA, not in the HOA's governing documents.

The problem I see is that she may not be able to perform some of her duties because of her relationship with her husband. So I view it as less of an ethics issue for the PM and more of a job performance one. (The PM's company may have a code of conduct that their employees are supposed to abide by, and that may have something to say about situations like this - but that's between the PM and her company.)

Regardless of what we call it, though, the board is still responsible for what happens on their watch.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
This is someone who is just trying to find something to complain about. So conflict of interest is made up to give something for their tongue to wag about. It makes no sense to not hire a contractor who does great work just because they may be "friends", "spouse", or relative of a HOA person or contractor.

I use this analogy. Imagine you live on "HOA island". There are 2 barbers on the island. You notice 1st barber has great hair. The 2nd barber has a bad haircut. Which barber do you hire? The 2nd barber. The 1st barber has to cut his hair... Now what if the 2nd barber is married to the PM? Do you not hire them now?

This person needs to make a better argument than this. Plus the board makes the decisions. If someone brought me a good contractor and they were a brother/sister/spouse of a HOA member, I would consider them. Just has to be disclosed the relationship. After that, so what?

Former HOA President
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
The relationship between the PM and contractor has been fully disclosed to the Board. As long as the Board still likes the work of both, I do not see a substantive problem. Granted the "optics" are not so great. But I think anyone complaining needs to state exactly what aspect of the PM's and the contractor's work they feel is unsatisfactory. I think it is likely that any complaints that owners have will have nothing to do with the relationship between PM and contractor.

I do advise against this:
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Posted By LoriM15 on 12/06/2021 11:29 AM
We have a section [in the monthly newsletter] where the PM lists numbers for reputable contractors.
For one, any contractor not listed might complain and have some justification to do so. For another, when one of the recommended contractors is not up to an owner's standards, the Board may get to hear about it at a Board meeting. And so on.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I would also suggest that bids for work be sent to the board directly or given to the board. This way, you know if you are getting a fair price or not.

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