President and Chief Executive Officer

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HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336

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Curious what other think about putting "President and Chief Executive Order" as my HOA title on LinkedIn. Per our bylaws, I am vote in as the President and my duties include being the Chief Executive Officer of the organization. It seems to make sense to me to have the full title on LinkedIn, but want to make sure I don't inappropriate offend others who may not realize that is my position.

Your thoughts?

MaxB4
Posts: 3,513

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Seriously?

HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336

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Posted By MaxB4 on 12/04/2021 6:21 PM
Seriously?

Seriously. My LinkedIn profile reflects what I do for future job opportunities, and having "Chief Executive Officer" on my profile would be good for the bots that search my profile.

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964

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Just say president. These days, many people live in HOAs and there are a number of people who serve on those boards and will know what the job entails. If not and they're intrigued, they'll contact you.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062

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Well,

First of all, CEO stands for Chief Executive Officer.

Second of all, the President of an HOA/COA is NOT a CEO.

HenryS7 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 336

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Posted By TimB4 on 12/04/2021 7:04 PM
Well,

First of all, CEO stands for Chief Executive Officer.

Second of all, the President of an HOA/COA is NOT a CEO.

Actually, per the by-laws of my HOA, I am the CEO.

MaxB4
Posts: 3,513

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Posted By TimB4 on 12/04/2021 7:04 PM
Well,

First of all, CEO stands for Chief Executive Officer.

Second of all, the President of an HOA/COA is NOT a CEO.

Actually Bylaws with list a them as President and Chief Executive Officer. In addition, state disclosures filed with a Secretary of State will list as President and CEO, and for the Treasurer as also the Chief Financial Officer.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550

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I also think think Chief Executive Officer is overkill. I also think it's pretentious.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062

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Posted By HenryS7 on 12/04/2021 7:11 PM

Posted By TimB4 on 12/04/2021 7:04 PM
Well,

First of all, CEO stands for Chief Executive Officer.

Second of all, the President of an HOA/COA is NOT a CEO.

Actually, per the by-laws of my HOA, I am the CEO.

Interesting. I doubt you have the powers in that position one would expect by the title.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836

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Bad idea. President or CEO of a HOA doesn't really win you job offers. It's viewed more as a "hobby" than an actual "job". Your NOT getting paid to do it. It may be a corporation but doesn't mean it's one where someone will hire you for a real "CEO" position. It just shows you have the skills to run a business and/or be elected. It is better on an ELECTION resume to run for a political office than a job resume.

Not that President/CEO doesn't have a great ring to it. It's just not a "REAL" position in the "real" world. The reality is that it's good for your direct surroundings. It isn't good for the "corporate" world.

Believe me I know a few things about this... Linked in is also awful. I quit it years ago as there are fake jobs there. It steals your personal information. It's basically a "Resume farm". Which sells your information so you get on the non-stop phone call lists of strangers. I don't recommend linked-in. There are other options much better.

I don't talk about my real life career on here. It's not the place for it. I also was President and ran my HOA for years. My work position at one time was in the "corporate" world. Let's just say it was "Top of the chain" type position. When I was laid off having President of HOA on my resume did not count as a "job". It was relegated to "Hobby". All it showed is that I had organizational skills. It was a topic of interest. It did not make any executives or HR people go "We must hire her to be our President or CEO". Till this day it still hasn't even though in my mind/experience it should lol...

Former HOA President

AugustinD
Posts: 3,698

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Here's a Washington HOA's Bylaws that say the president is also the CEO:

http://edelweissmethowvalley.org/bylaws.html

Note that the Bylaws gives the President only one 'special power': Calling Special Meetings of either the Board or owners. Other duties of the President/CEO are not delineated in the Bylaws.

Aug's arguments for advertising (so to speak) one's board and officer service:
-- By my reading, those folks who participate here regularly tend to believe in "service" (even if it's only to keep inept directors off the board). I think this is to their credit. Someone learning that another is on the board of their HOA/COA may result in the someone saying, "Well there's a gal/guy who, unlike many in this country, may not be 'in it' for herself/himself. She/he appears to care about her/his community. Hmm. That's someone I want to check out further."

-- If the Bylaws say the President is also the Chief Executive Officer, then this is what they say. I think it's fine putting it up wherever, though maybe with the caveat below. The Bylaws (or state law) dictate the powers. It's all transparent.

Aug's arguments against it:
-- While the Bylaws say the President is the CEO, most folks will not know that Bylaws (or possibly state law) say this. At first blush, I found the OP's proposal a bit pretentious. Others may feel similarly. I think humility says volumes about a leader and is a good practice.

Ultimately, I think it's a five-will-get-you-ten situation.

ND (PA)
Posts: 792

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I say . . . if you think having that title in your LinkedIn profile will help get you more clicks, connections, and interest . . . then go for it. You're not incorrect in adding that title in there as long as you clearly indicate it's in regard to your Homeowners Association. Any actual person paging through your resume or LinkedIn profile should understand what that title actually means/entails.

Since you're volunteering significant time and effort to helping run your HOA, and since you are not benefiting financially from that volunteer service, then you might as well use what you can get out of the role. However, you cannot also be unethical in possessing or maintaining possession of that role for the purpose of separate and personal resume-building, financial gain, and/or career growth.

But I would also caution that you may be over glamorizing your actual role and setting expectations that you may or may not be able to meet.

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299

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It may be "legal" if it complies with the bylaws. But it's also misleading.

HOA CEOs don't have the power or the salary that CEOs in for-profit corporations do. And many homeowners are already confused about how HOAs work, and this adds to the confusion. For instance they may believe that Board President = The Person Who Calls the Shots, and this is not true.

So what's your goal?

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550

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Emphasizing "volunteer" and th duties you've undertaken might help you go farther, Henry, than the title CEO

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