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PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
hello, long time lurker, we got a budget letter which states there is a deficit $144,000 mostly due to litigation but some other extra snow expenses that have piled up since 2016.

2022 HOA budget letter states:

"Special Assessments: The HOA reserve account has a deficit of ~$144,000 as of 12/31/2020. By law,
the HOA is required to fund it's reserves at recommended levels to defray anticipated future costs of the HOA,
such as infrastructure (road and side paving, irrigation, etc). Rather than increasing dues each year to balance this
large deficit, we might have to use a Specials Assessments for Infrastructure related items where possible."

However my issue is that the HOA reserve study of 2016 was over calculated for 2021 year end is $341,709 but the
2021 reserve study significantly recalculated the year end balances for 2021 to $184,833. The monthly financials for November 2021 show that the reserve account balance is around $211,000.

So what is a deficit? 3rd party audits were based on putting around $50k per year according to the 2016 study (obviously they didn’t deposit any for a few years due to litigation) and the audits then show that as a deficit since it based it off a higher reserve year end balance using a Cash Flow method analysis.

Any idea’s how to convince the board that there is no deficit or am I way off? That in fact they should raise fees for the deficit since that old reserve study was the only one at that time when the deficits occurred. That they would be in violation of their duties if they zero out the deficit?

2nd: There is no law in Virginia that says reserves must be funded to recommended levels, so the letter seems to going beyond the HOA's obligations.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
CC&R's section on reserves:
Reserves for Replacements. The Association shall establish and maintain a reserve fund for the maintenance, repair and replacement for those parts of the Common Area and Common Facilities which may be replaced or require maintenance on a periodic basis by the allocation and payment to such reserve fund of an amount to be designated from time to time by the Board, which reserve fund shall be sufficient, in the sole opinion of the Board, to accommodate such future maintenance, repair and replacement and which shall be a component of the Annual General Assessment.

The reserve for replacement of the Common Area may be expended only for the purpose of effecting the replacement of the Common Area, major repairs to, replacement and maintenance of Common Facilities, including but not limited to sidewalks, parking areas, streets or roadways developed as a part of the Property, equipment replacement, and for start-up expenses and operating contingencies of a nonrecurring nature relating to the Common Area.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Hi Paul,

I believe your HOA could not have planned for litigation expenses in its budget and those fees would certainly drain cash flow.

The Reserve Study suggests your HOA is facing $341,079 in possible capital expenses but only possesses $184,833 in cash. Should EVERYTHING on the list break down on the Reserve Study's timeline, then the HOA would need a special assessment. However, the HOA will likely slow the replacement schedule and leave aged-out amenities in place as long as they are fully functioning. This will skew the reserve study's calendar of replacements but the board must exercise common sense.

You have simply been told by your HOA that there is $341,079 worth of untapped repairs and replacements that can reasonably be observed (it doesn't mean there's an emergency). You have $184,833 in cash if those repairs all come due at the same time. Many HOAs have this challenge due to "Murphy's Law" that prevents things from going as planned on the timeline we prefer.

This is first-hand proof that HOA lawsuits eventually bite all parties, some twice. You cannot zero out this "deficit" no more than a private family can zero out the cost of new roof on the basis they don't have enough money to pay the roofer. You will pay now or later.
PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Thank you Kelly, I think I see what you're saying, that the old study reserve replacement costs don't just go away with a newer reserve study.
PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
From the new reserve study:

"This report is a Level II Update of the previous report and includes a new condition assessment. All common components were visually observed. Measurements and quantities were generally accepted from the previous report except where changes have occurred. The update report is a stand-alone document and reference to the previous report should not be necessary."

"Currently, the reserve fund is adequate, and requires only minimal annual adjustments in contributions to eventually achieve the fully funded goal by the end of the 20-year period. "
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PaulB12 on 12/03/2021 7:32 AM
hello, long time lurker, we got a budget letter which states there is a deficit $144,000 mostly due to litigation but some other extra snow expenses that have piled up since 2016.

2022 HOA budget letter states:

"Special Assessments: The HOA reserve account has a deficit of ~$144,000 as of 12/31/2020. By law,
the HOA is required to fund it's reserves at recommended levels to defray anticipated future costs of the HOA,
such as infrastructure (road and side paving, irrigation, etc). Rather than increasing dues each year to balance this
large deficit, we might have to use a Specials Assessments for Infrastructure related items where possible."

However my issue is that the HOA reserve study of 2016 was over calculated for 2021 year end is $341,709 but the
2021 reserve study significantly recalculated the year end balances for 2021 to $184,833. The monthly financials for November 2021 show that the reserve account balance is around $211,000.

So what is a deficit?
First, when it comes to the status of reserves, I do not care about the 2016 reserve study. I care about the 2021 study exclusively. When it comes to infrastructure, a lot can change in five years.

Second, I think "deficit" is a bit subjective when it comes to reserve studies. For one thing, in general nationwide, a reserve account is considered 'not unhealthy' if it is at least about 70 "percent funded" at any given point in time. Ideally IMO the account is at least 90% funded. Reserve studies are not an exact science. I opine it is imperative to update them yearly and do a full site visit with a professional reserve company every five years.

Third, if the 2021 reserve study, updated to about December, 2021, says that X amount should be in the fund by the end of 2021, and there is Y (a lower number than X) in the fund, then this is a deficit in my book.

Fourth, I think you should be grateful that the Board is paying close attention to the reserve fund. Many boards do not. If that's painful to read (given your Board's other conduct, IIRC), oh well. I think it's important to treat one issue at a time and give kudos where it is legitimately deserved.
PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Thank you, this letter was also sent before the 2021 reserve study was conducted:

December 22, 2020.
"The board is currently exploring the option of adjusting the reserve balance from $274,000 to $174,000. This
adjustment will serve no other purpose than to "reset" our reserve requirement and eliminate the deficit."

So I there must be a reason why the deficit wasn't reset, I will be asking these questions in the next meeting but wanted to post this on the forum for other's insights and other questions that anyone here might think of I can ask the board.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
A reserve study will only yield information that was provided to it. The true numbers would come from the association financials hopefully prepared on a monthly basis. The necessary numbers from a reserve study will be useful life, remaining life, replacement cost. Those will tell how much would be needed to have an association fully funded at any given point in time.

Association can have tow diiferent type of funding/accounting, lump sum cash flow or component asset funding. Your balance sheet will tell you how much is in reserves, if the operating and reserve accounts are separated. Some balance sheets might even break down how much is allocated for each component.

I've seen reserve studies that have intentionally left off ligitation expenditures to hide from the membership. I am very leary of boards dipping into reserves to pay for ligitation.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Paul

A Reserve Study should show the life expectancy of an item and the cost to replace it. Let us say roofing needing replacement in 20 years at a cost of $800K. If $40K per year was put in the Roofing Reserve Fund for this then the Reserve Fund for this is 100% Funded each year. While after say 10 years it has $400K in it, it is still 100% funded but in actual dollars, only 50% funded to some. Similar to reading Cash Accounting versus Accrual Accounting.

The question is where did your BOD come up with how much had to be in the Reserves? Also if they keep on this path, they will accrue deficit each year. You needs a dues increase to break even each year including placing funds in the Reserves.
SheilaJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 291
Posted:
The reserve study was conducted by a reserve analyst vendor for both 2016 and 2021, the same vendor. In the study is a cash flow hybrid table which shows the year end balance.

The HOA does have a separate checking for day to day and another account for reserves. During litigation the HOA made no deposits into the reserves for almost 3 years. Before that in 2016 when a large snow fall occurred, the association also put only $8k in for 2016 versus the recommended amount of $30k.

So all this has added up to a large deficit however after the 2021 study it appears the year end balances needed were a lot less than the 2016 study.

PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Sorry used my wrong account, using the correct one now.
PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PaulB12 on 12/03/2021 1:44 PM
Sorry used my wrong account, using the correct one now.

The reserve study was conducted by a reserve analyst vendor for both 2016 and 2021, the same vendor. In the study is a cash flow hybrid table which shows the year end balance.

The HOA does have a separate checking for day to day and another account for reserves. During litigation the HOA made no deposits into the reserves for almost 3 years. Before that in 2016 when a large snow fall occurred, the association also put only $8k in for 2016 versus the recommended amount of $30k.

So all this has added up to a large deficit however after the 2021 study it appears the year end balances needed were a lot less than the 2016 study.

MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
So it's a matter of the association not putting money into the reserve account(s) versus taking monies out to pay for litigation.

So the special assessment they are proposing is to pay for the litigation they pursued as they used the funds earmarked for the reserves to pay for their possible foolish legal endeavors.
PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
Thank you all, I’ll let you know how it goes in the next meeting.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PaulB12 on 12/03/2021 9:01 AM
Thank you, this letter was also sent before the 2021 reserve study was conducted:

December 22, 2020.
"The board is currently exploring the option of adjusting the reserve balance from $274,000 to $174,000. This
adjustment will serve no other purpose than to "reset" our reserve requirement and eliminate the deficit."

So I there must be a reason why the deficit wasn't reset, I will be asking these questions in the next meeting but wanted to post this on the forum for other's insights and other questions that anyone here might think of I can ask the board.
What the board wrote reads like jabberwocky to me.

Chances are good none of the directors knows what she or he is talking about when it comes to reserve studies and reserve funding. Chances are even higher owners know even less about how reserve studies and reserve funding work.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Technically, the board can eliminate the under-funding as a paperwork exercise. There's still gonna be (in all likelihood) $144,000 in maintenance/deferred maintenance lurking in the community, which would be offset by a special assessment should multiple maintenance disasters strike.

KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
The Level 2 study done in '21 should give you a lot of info, not just the little summary that the analyst writes in the beginning. Have you read the complete study, Paul?
PaulB12 (Virginia)
Posts: 56
Posted:
I can paste some of it directly from the reserve analysts:

“Reserve Fund Plans are not rocket science, but can be very complicated for people who are not familiar with the concept. There are a few basic concepts that make understanding your Reserve Fund Plan easier”

“Funding at anything less than Component Method levels is deficit funding and sooner or later there will be a shortfall. Because of this, a reserve analyst very carefully considers the level of funding dictated by the Component Method and applies that level to the Cash Flow Method Hybrid Approach (Table 3.1) for funding solutions that are both adequate and functional. This is accomplished by taking the twenty-year ending balance from the Component Method and, using Goal Seek in Excel, calculating today’s proper level of funding that would require only annual increases matching inflation to achieve a fully funded status.”

All the year end values I posted are from table 3.1.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
The issue is not with the reserve study, the issue is with the board(s) tat didn't put any monies into the reserves for a number of years.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
If I were an owner in that community, I'd be looking hard at both of those reserve studies to see why the estimated needs dropped significantly.

I mean, it's possible that the 2016 study over-estimated the amount of inflation and future building costs, or made a calculation error, and the newer study corrected this. However, what's actually going on in the US is that inflation and building costs have risen noticeably in the last few years, and more extreme weather events have accelerated aging of components. The two reserve studies are going against widespread trends, and that needs explaining.

Given the tendency of many communities to kick the can down the road, I would assume the deficit is real until I see hard figures that convince me that the 2016 study got it wrong and the 2021 study is a better reflection of reality. Otherwise this doesn't pass the smell test for me. Not having any reserve requirements is a license to commit financial suicide - if I were a prospective buyer, that would be enough to convince me to avoid buying in an HOA altogether.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Quote:
Posted By PaulB12 on 12/03/2021 8:10 AM
Thank you Kelly, I think I see what you're saying, that the old study reserve replacement costs don't just go away with a newer reserve study.

Paul - I just saw this.

You are correct. Your HOA will be replacing amenities (unless it's planning to get rid of them as they fail). What can change is the cost of making those replacements in 2021 vs 2016. Costs absolutely will have changed with current inflationary environment AND the previous Reserve Study may have over-estimated costs. Both can be true.

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