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AjM3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
A dozen individuals in our neighborhood individually signed a petition and then sued one neighbor for perceived fence violations. The HOA did not initiate the lawsuit but the attorney fees now appear on the ballot and the HOA expects to increase the homeowners' dues significantly to offset the cost of a lawsuit that was not filed by the HOA. Can the HOA absorb the cost of an outside lawsuit, forcing the expenses on everyone in the neighborhood?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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They don't have to initiate, did the HOA join the lawsuit?

I've not heard of the legal fees being on the ballot. Perhaps the ballot is to see if the members want the Association to join the lawsuit? Perhaps it's a special assessment for the legal fees? Aj, can you please clarify?
AjM3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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The dozen named plaintiffs included the HOA name when they filed the lawsuit. Prior to the lawsuit, a petition was circulated among the neighbors to garner support for imposing legal action. There were no board or full member meetings held to inform the members or ask the members to vote on having the HOA named in the lawsuit. Now that the legal fees have exceeded $35K, a line item was included on the recent ballot for the attorney fees (covering fees from 2020 and 2021). This is the Board seeking a RETROACTIVE vote on passing on these costs with the expectation that the homeowners foot the bill, including those who did not sign the petition and are not named plaintiffs.

This is not a special assessment. This was certain members hoping that the threat of a lawsuit would make the defendants amend their property. As this was not officially agreed as an HOA action by the members prior to the lawsuit, I view the lawsuit as a separate and personal activity. If the dozen participants win, they can recoup their monies via judgement. If they lose, they each agreed to pursuing the lawsuit and these costs should be borne by the named plaintiffs, not the HOA. Your thoughts are appreciated!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So if you decide to sue then expect to have to pay the bill on both ends. The HOA legal costs and any special assessments to pay off the judgement. The HOA is ONLY made up of owner/members. It is only funded by the members for the members. The HOA board is elected by the membership to represent them as a whole. The HOA lawyer is NOT a single HOA's member lawyer it is the ENTIRE HOA's lawyer. So if the HOA board had to pay for a lawyer to represent them then all members pay. If for some reason a group of members used the HOA lawyer as their personal issues with a member, then the HOA should have the lawyer expenses paid by them. Plus fire the attorney for it.

Former HOA President
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Who authorized the monies to be placed on the ballot?

Being a corporation, the HOA must be represented by legal counsel, and it must have been authorized beforehand. The HOA must be represented separately. The owners, being individuals, can represent themselves, but not a corporation or LLC.

The plaintiffs are SOL if they think the other owners owe them one red cent!
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 10/25/2021 4:08 PM
Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So if you decide to sue then expect to have to pay the bill on both ends. The HOA legal costs and any special assessments to pay off the judgement. The HOA is ONLY made up of owner/members. It is only funded by the members for the members. The HOA board is elected by the membership to represent them as a whole. The HOA lawyer is NOT a single HOA's member lawyer it is the ENTIRE HOA's lawyer. So if the HOA board had to pay for a lawyer to represent them then all members pay. If for some reason a group of members used the HOA lawyer as their personal issues with a member, then the HOA should have the lawyer expenses paid by them. Plus fire the attorney for it.

That BS is getting old and worn!
AjM3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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Thanks for responding. We are not suing the HOA. The HOA entered into a lawsuit without ballot consideration or a a vote (or a written announcement of the lawsuit). Without a vote, without this being announced in writing, their existing lawsuit is a private matter. Now that the bills are rolling in, the plaintiffs want to retroactively make this an HOA agenda item for vote (translation: we did not formally consult with the members or vote on proceeding with a lawsuit and now that we are steeped in bills, we'd like to make all homeowner, even those who are not named in the private lawsuit, liable for the costs. Turning a private lawsuit into an HOA matter.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By AjM3 on 10/25/2021 4:39 PM
Thanks for responding. We are not suing the HOA. The HOA entered into a lawsuit without ballot consideration or a a vote (or a written announcement of the lawsuit). Without a vote, without this being announced in writing, their existing lawsuit is a private matter. Now that the bills are rolling in, the plaintiffs want to retroactively make this an HOA agenda item for vote (translation: we did not formally consult with the members or vote on proceeding with a lawsuit and now that we are steeped in bills, we'd like to make all homeowner, even those who are not named in the private lawsuit, liable for the costs. Turning a private lawsuit into an HOA matter.

Are you a Board member?
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By AjM3 on 10/25/2021 4:39 PM
Thanks for responding. We are not suing the HOA. The HOA entered into a lawsuit without ballot consideration or a a vote (or a written announcement of the lawsuit). Without a vote, without this being announced in writing, their existing lawsuit is a private matter. Now that the bills are rolling in, the plaintiffs want to retroactively make this an HOA agenda item for vote (translation: we did not formally consult with the members or vote on proceeding with a lawsuit and now that we are steeped in bills, we'd like to make all homeowner, even those who are not named in the private lawsuit, liable for the costs. Turning a private lawsuit into an HOA matter.
-- Most likely the Board has the legal authority to decide whether the HOA will join a lawsuit as a co-plaintiff. Meaning that most likely, no vote of the owners is needed for the HOA to lawfully join a lawsuit as a co-plaintiff.

-- Respectfully, I think you need to call the clerk for the court where the lawsuit was filed and ask how to get copies of the court filings, learn who the plaintiffs are, et cetera.
AjM3 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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Okay, that made me LAUGH!

The president authorized the legal fees being placed on the ballot this week BUT IT WAS NOT AUTHORIZED BEFOREHAND. My concern is this is almost two years after the fact and there was never any money accrued to cover legal fees. Apparently, the board decided (again, without notice to the members or a request for a special assessment) to 'borrow' money from two homeowners in 2020 to get the lawsuit started and now they're including this debt in the HOA disbursements and receipts.

1) the HOA members were not formally advised or allowed to vote prior to the lawsuit; and
2) this past meeting the board introduced the legal fees and multiple NEW by-laws because our existing by-laws make no provision for initiating a lawsuit against a homeowner then sticking the members with the bill retroactively.

I'm of the opinion that the plaintiffs who initiated this private lawsuit should be prepared to fund it, not backdoor the costs to the excluded and uninformed homeowners.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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The Board "borrowed" money from two homeowners to initiate a lawsuit. It sounds like the HOA or Board was behind this all along.

You're not going to get anyone here denouncing what the Board did was wrong. What you'll get is a atta boy, the Board is within their legal authority to do such things.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By AjM3 on 10/25/2021 5:24 PM
I'm of the opinion that the plaintiffs who initiated this private lawsuit should be prepared to fund it, not backdoor the costs to the excluded and uninformed homeowners.
Have you checked to see whether the Declaration or Bylaws require a vote of the owners to enter into a lawsuit?

Since the Board most likely does have the legal authority to enter into a lawsuit without a vote of the owners, then your remedy is to run for the board with folks who feel as you do and throw the directors you do not like off the board.

Regarding enforcing covenants: It is common for HOAs (and not just Owner Jones or Owner Smith) to bring suit to enforce covenants.
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
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This sounds very convoluted. First, I'm not sure why anyone thought it was a good idea to borrow money from owners for legal fees. I also don't understand why they would have a vote of the owners to pay the legal fees. The board should make the decision to sue or not and, once they do, they are committed to paying any legal fees. However, by Texas code, if the HOA is suing for a covenant violation and wins, the defendant has to pay the HOAs legal fees.

That being said, we don't have enough information to have an opinion on whether they should have joined the lawsuit. I know that many HOAs do not have the authority to fine so the only enforcement power they have is a lawsuit.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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I agree it is convoluted. Either the BOD is or is not one of the Plaintiffs. If not one of the Plaintiffs, they should not pay for anything.

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