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LuciC
Posts: 32
Posted:
It has been a while, but I am back with some interesting news. Our HOA used to provide meeting minutes, agenda, two financial pages for the meetings. Apparently, the Board has decided it is not necessary. If we would like to see the information, we should contact our management company.

I therefore submitted the request by email and was told to send it in writing, which I did. I received 4 pages in a certified letter which cost $11.85 and $3.96 for postage. Inclosed was an invoice for the $11.85.

These costs had never been discussed previously, only $.15 per page for copy costs.

The management company will not seriously address this issue except to state we should submit a check in the amount to the MC. It seems that the MC made this decision without notifying the board. The board has not answered and appears to want to "stay out of it".
HanhN1 (California)
Posts: 64
Posted:
I think they are hidding something. Make sure your name is on the bank accounts and review every single transation. if impossible, review all invoices, canceled checks, and receipts of payment for the time that you were out.
LuciC
Posts: 32
Posted:
Actually, the property manager dislikes me very much. When I was on the Board, I found many accounting mistakes.

My worry is that the next time, the bill could be for a larger amount. It is my understanding that the MC cannot discriminate or harass homeowners.

In addition, we are having elections at the beginning of 2008. If I do not pay the $11.85, I am not in good standing and am not eligible. We most definite can afford the $11.85, but what about the principle of the matter?
HanhN1 (California)
Posts: 64
Posted:
Accounting mistakes are showing something that NOT right. Attention must be paid and action need to be taken.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Luci,
You are confusing me. If you "do not pay the $11.85, then you are not eligible and in good standing?" Do you mean that by not paying for the copies,that means you would lose your your status as being a member in good standing? This makes no sense to me. Please fill us all in.

The Property managers opinion of you should have no bearing on your status with the Board. Why do you feel that you need all of these records? Yes, a nominal fee can be charged for copies of financial records but you might be digging way to deep unless you are looking for some financial conspiracy. You are going to need alot of support amongst your fellow members to go after your entire association.
LuciC
Posts: 32
Posted:
Sorry for the confusion.

According to our Bylaws, being in good standing means you do not owe the HOA any money. This usually refers to assessment fees, but it is not specifically stated.

I have evening courses at the university twice a week. Our meetings always fall on one of those days. Therefore, I cannot attend.

I only requested the meeting minutes and NOT any financial statements, which would be nice, too. I only mentioned the other items as past history.

I suppose what I want to know is what do you receive at your meetings? Surely, an agenda? We get nothing.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Luci - Arizona Revised Statue 33-1805 says: "On request for purchase of copies of records by any member or any person designated by the member in writing as the member's representative, the association shall have ten business days to provide copies of the requested records. An association may charge a fee for making copies of not more than fifteen cents per page."
Notice - it says "On request" No mention even of having to be in writing. Also the fee is 15 cents a page - no "overhead" charges. A management company can charge the HOA for their time preparing copies, but the HOA cannot pass that charge on to you. You can file for an Administrative Office Hearing if your HOA is not complying with state statutes. Harold
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Luci,
Most States require an agenda to be posted prior to any meetings. We do not get a written copy of the agenda when we attend a meeting. That is what they make pencils for. I do not know Arizona law but that would be easy for you to Google your State Statutes on H.O.A.'s. The minutes should be made available also to all homeowners, per a posting or internet. Ask your Board members,to address this if they are not posting it for public viewing. I would not ask the P.M. because there seems to be some conflicted feelings there.
SharonM3 (Virginia)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Consider asking the secretary to email you the minutes as they are done. Because every homeowner has the right to see them, this would avoid having to deal with the management company, and would require very little effort on the secretary's part.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Lucy:

It is not unusual for an MC to charge for postage, copies and handling charges for this type of request. The charge of $11.95 is very reasonable IMHO.

If you requested a copy of yur checks from a bank they too would charge your account for the copy.

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