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KennethK1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:

After 3 yrs. our neighbourhood finally reached the point where an election for 1 of 3 HOA Board positions was held. I was elected, and have been trying to address all the issues which have been built-up over the past few years.

Unfortunately, the developer is still very much in control here, and although the residents are paying close to $1,000 in HOA dues, many people don't feel that they are getting their money's worth, and as the sole representative for the homeowner's, I get ALL the input!

Problem is...I am NOT being provided a clear accounting of where the HOA monies are going.....sure I have the contracts, but it just lists what is paid monthly for the various services without giving ANY itemized breakdown, and with an annual budget at $400,000, I'm just a bit curious! Considering that any of us can go to the grocery store, and get am itemized breakdown, including a 59ยข can of green beans, that's not much to ask..

The landscaping budget alone is $100,000/yr.

The budget for the pool varies from $650/mo(January) to $8,200(July). Obviously, there is more usage out of the pool in the summer, so higher costs, but I don't know WHAT we're paying for.

Also....most importantly, I asked about competitive bids for all the various services, and was told THERE ARE NONE...the developer is "happy with the costs/services" we have now!

We are in Texas, and it appears as if competitive bidding is NOT required by the Texas State Government Code for "professional services" such as HOA Attorneys or accountants, but it seems incredible that there wouldn't be ANYTHING we could to to require competitive bids for services such as landscape maintenance, pool maintenence, etc.

The reason why I, or any other residents would question the budgetary items, is because most of the "Services" we're paying for do NOT appear to be well-maintained, and in some cases, the contracts are nebulous and/or simply unnecessary.

I have my personal attorney, who has been able to give some helpful advice, but I cannot involve them in HOA matters. There in nothing in our "Articles of Declaration" which address the issue of the bidding of the process.

As there seems to be some sort of budgetary oversight at every level of government, it seems that people ought to have an accounting of how their money is spent.

The situation with our MUD District(Municipal Utility District) is even worse...NONE of those people on the Board live in the neighbourhood, no one seemed to know of any open board position until AFTER the election, and the Board members aren't responding to inquiries by phone/e-mail

I know laws on this topic vary from state to state, so if there is anybody in Texas in particular has some insight, I appreciate the input!

JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
I'm concerned about costs too, because the landscapers, who come a long distance, are paid travel time to and from, and we have a few other vendors that also get travel money. Do your landscapers traditionally get travel time from the company yard to the work site? Do other vendors, including management people, get travel time?
KennethK1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I don't know at this point....none of that info. has been revealed to me.

We had our elections on Aug. 29th, and the management company JUST got me the contracts the other day(Nov. 6)

Also....the property mgr. set up the board meeting without notifying me in advance. She sent out the contracts with a top sheet which was half-hidden by the large paper clip that stated there was a meeting this past Friday....and I received no other notification(e-mail, phone call) that there even WAS something scheduled, even though I'd been trying to do so since the election was held.

The meeting was rescheduled for this Monday, and although it's an HOA Board meeting, it occured to me that the people from the property management company would be in attendance, and THEY are not board members......either it's a closed meeting, or it's open to the public.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
Check your state law re open meetings, closed meetings, or meeting notices(maybe some other search words. One state law requires ALL board meetings (not required if emergency circumstances require action by the board before notice can be given) to be noticed to the entire home owner list: Here's a few (partial) sentences from the law:

"ALL meetings are open to all members...

" Any portion...may be closed only if that closed portion of the meeting is limited to consideration of one or more of the following:...

"Special meetings may be called by the president, by a majority of the board of directors or by members..." (note that the management company is NOT included in that list, but for YOUR state, it might be)

"...not fewer than ___ nor more than ___ days in advance...of any meeting of the members the secretary shall cause notice to be... notice shall state the time and place of the meeting.

"A notice of any special meeting of the members shall also state...

"C....notice to members...shall be given at least ___hours in advance of the meeting by... any other reasonable means as determined by the board of directors...Notice to members...not required if emergency circumstances...

If your state law (or your bylaws) do not permit the MC to set up the meetings without board instruction, that meeting would be illegal and not necessary to attend. As you say, the mc is employee, and need to be told that. Why does you mc need to be at the meeting? Cannot they mail or email a MC report? If needed, they can hear and transcribe the minutes from a recording.
KennethK1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Yes. I realize that all this is covered under laws in SOME states...that's why I am looking for feedback that is specific to Texas.

I did an online search of the records database, and can't find anything that specifically addresses the issues mentioned in my posting(s), so I was hoping that SOMEONE who is in Texas has encountered this before, and was curious as to what their legal experiences were.

Does anybody know what the specific laws remedies are for Texas?
TomP2 (Arizona)
Posts: 28
Posted:
I found info I was looking for in AZ by Googling 'Arizon Planned Communities Act'. Try the same for Texas. My first post - hope it helps.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
KennethC1:

Unfortunately your community is in the period prior to TURNOVER to residents. You have, at this time, minimal say in who the contractors are and at what cost; this is the time when the developer initiates the decisions. If he is even asking for input, that is more than the norm, however, it is the developer who has sole power.

But, fear not! your day will come! and, as soon as community conditions are fulfilled (sale of % of units as stated in bylaws), the developer will transition to the residents and the residents will elect an Exec.Board/Committees, etc. This process is all stated in your own bylaws.

In the meantime, as a previous poster stated, you need to refer to your state documents on "Associations or Condos", whichever you fall under. You can review this at Community Assoc.Network site (yellow to left of this site)-- key in your state, etc.

Since you are on the Board as a 'token' resident member, it will be in your best interest to learn all you can, be willing to assist wherever needed, and
keep your eyes/ears open. It will go a long way for when your community is under resident control and will result in your neighbors having trust in your knowledge and experience.

DwayneH (Texas)
Posts: 1
Posted:
Wow, thats a lot.
I would strongly suggest you refer to your bylaws, especially concerning bids.
Multi Family and single family both usually have them, are required to have them.

A really good reference to learn more is to become associated with CAI.
I have not ever heard of travel time, however that might be a different wording for fuel charge.

Fuel prices are as you know, going up, and it just cost more to do the same work.
As far as a breakdown or itemised list, i would just keep demanding it.
Developers are famous for avoiding just about everything that even remotely looks like responsibility.
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
You may not have much to much input into the operational aspect of the HOA until turnover. Keep all of the inadequacies in the forefront when it comes to transition time. When it comes time for the turnover you will need to rectify the problem areas with the developer. Start planning now.

Even though the developer does not require bids this is something you can institute after the turnover with an Internal Control document.

Unless you have very few common elements and a lot of land, I would be very concerned with 1/4 of the budget going to landscaping.
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
There are too many unknowns such as state law for your state etc. It does make a huge difference. Having lived thru a turn-over here is my experienced suggestions.
1. Get a crew to help you. There is a post on this site about changing MC ( Management Companies ) carbon copy all suggestions being done there or suggested there. You have little to no power what so ever and never ever forget that. Depends on your state but in Florida developers get away with murder....... Yes its true murder it has happened before. Get a list of vendors from your MC and go talk to the owners. Ask questions like this," I hope so and so (Thats the name of your developer ) is giving you guys some money for all your hard work. How much of a kick back is he/she giving you . You tell them you dont really care you just want to make sure its fair. Travel time is used by a lot of contractors ( Myself included I am a electrical contractor ) so dont have a heart attack over that. Your pool uses are way out of wacky. Have part of the turnover being to replaced that dumb sand filter system he is using DE is 400 percent cheaper DE is Diatomaceous Earth. Comes in 100 Lb bags.
Your 3 biggest costs are
1. Electricity for the street lights
2. MC fees
3. Landscaping
4. Sprinkler repair
5. handyman Service / Janitor Service
6. Insurance make darn sure they have directors insurance in case they try to run off with your dues.
7. Lawyers Fees $250 to 350 dollars per hour or part of an hour, Fax's 2 bucks a page, etc , etc.

These are your worst case scenes. Bide your time soon the required percentage of homes will be sold then be prepared on the sly find yourself 4-6 people to run for board positions and have there own agendas at the turnover meeting be prepared. Once the lawyers say the meeting has the correct amount of people the developer will be nice and good guy once the vote has been certified as correct then the fun starts.
Step 1 The developer and his board get up and walk out.
2. Your now on your own. This is when we separate the men from the boys.
3. Get friendly with any other BODs in your area. You can get a list from the City Clerks Office on a Freedom of Information request.
4. Take the results and go to some of there meetings get a feel for how they do things. Get the name and address of there MC.

As soon as you guys are in charge fire the MC the very next day. I guarantee they are in bed with the developer or the costs would not be so wild. Then join CAI and use the heck out of this forum keeping in mind each state has different rules, reg, and laws.

Good Luck Tiger!!!
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnM3 on 11/14/2007 5:52 PM
Travel time is used by a lot of contractors ( Myself included I am a electrical contractor)so dont have a heart attack over that.

I asked a vendor about travel time. He said he never heard of such a thing.
KennethK1 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnM3 on 11/14/2007 5:52 PM
There are too many unknowns such as state law for your state etc. It does make a huge difference. Having lived thru a turn-over here is my experienced suggestions.
1. Get a crew to help you. There is a post on this site about changing MC ( Management Companies ) carbon copy all suggestions being done there or suggested there. You have little to no power what so ever and never ever forget that. Depends on your state but in Florida developers get away with murder....... Yes its true murder it has happened before. Get a list of vendors from your MC and go talk to the owners. Ask questions like this," I hope so and so (Thats the name of your developer ) is giving you guys some money for all your hard work. How much of a kick back is he/she giving you . You tell them you dont really care you just want to make sure its fair. Travel time is used by a lot of contractors ( Myself included I am a electrical contractor ) so dont have a heart attack over that. Your pool uses are way out of wacky. Have part of the turnover being to replaced that dumb sand filter system he is using DE is 400 percent cheaper DE is Diatomaceous Earth. Comes in 100 Lb bags.
Your 3 biggest costs are
1. Electricity for the street lights
2. MC fees
3. Landscaping
4. Sprinkler repair
5. handyman Service / Janitor Service
6. Insurance make darn sure they have directors insurance in case they try to run off with your dues.
7. Lawyers Fees $250 to 350 dollars per hour or part of an hour, Fax's 2 bucks a page, etc , etc.

These are your worst case scenes. Bide your time soon the required percentage of homes will be sold then be prepared on the sly find yourself 4-6 people to run for board positions and have there own agendas at the turnover meeting be prepared. Once the lawyers say the meeting has the correct amount of people the developer will be nice and good guy once the vote has been certified as correct then the fun starts.
Step 1 The developer and his board get up and walk out.
2. Your now on your own. This is when we separate the men from the boys.
3. Get friendly with any other BODs in your area. You can get a list from the City Clerks Office on a Freedom of Information request.
4. Take the results and go to some of there meetings get a feel for how they do things. Get the name and address of there MC.

As soon as you guys are in charge fire the MC the very next day. I guarantee they are in bed with the developer or the costs would not be so wild. Then join CAI and use the heck out of this forum keeping in mind each state has different rules, reg, and laws.

Good Luck Tiger!!!

*****************

Thanks John!

There are a lot of helpful points to consider there......

We just had the first board meeting since the one board position came open, and it actually went fairly well.
We passed the budget without any increase in HOA dues, but there were also no additional services added.

One thing we have in our area, and I have a BIG problem with this.....is paying the county $50K+/yr. for "Security patrols" in your specific neighbourhood. For one thing, the officer can be called away at ANY time for an emergency call, and they are only there actually patrolling in the neighbourhood 4-5 days a week/6-7 hours a day. Personally, this seems like a "protection racket", especially considering the high property taxes we'realready paying here in Texas(no income tax, but the property taxes make up for it!)

The landscaping contract(100k/yr.) is not up for renewal for several months, and at the meeting, I told the developer I wanted to statrt using more perennial plants and hardscaping, rather than these annuals being changed out 4-5 times a year.

Our neighbourhood is about 3 yrs. old, and it took 8 years fro the homeowners in my previous neighbourhood to actually gain majority control from the developer. The good thing is, that this is a fairly well-known areadeveloper, and they plan on doing a Phase 2 development of our neighbourhood adjacent to this area, but it will be a separate HOA, utility district, etc., so I don't see the developer running off any time soon.

I'm actually waiting on the price breakdown for the pool charges, and you make a good point about using the DE filter material....from my Nat'l History background, I know it's more efficient.

One of my neighbours mentioned that in several other areas tha tthey knew of, the homeowner's fired the mgmt. company RIGHT after gaining majority control.

There are also other issues to consider, and while some of them SEEM to make perfect sense, in practical application, they're not the best solution. For example, we could get a better pricing for electric service from one of the competing utility. but...since it's ultimately still the responsibility of the original old "electric company" to repair powere lines, etc., those communities who DO switch get relegated to a low priority when repairs are needed,,,,and we're talking about potentially DAYS with power!

Thanks again for the input! :-)

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