MelodyM2 (Colorado)
Posts: 12
Posts: 12
Posted:
OK, a question for all of you about a decision that was motioned, voted on, and passed at our Annual Meeting.
First of all, brief notes about the Association:
* Members (Properties): 51
* Annual Meeting Quorum: 25% (13)
* Annual Meeting Attendance: 28 (17 live, 11 proxy) 55%
* Annual Meeting was properly and timely noticed (32 days in advance; ByLaws call for 30 days advance notice), and with that notice the Minutes from last year's Annual Meeting, as well as Agenda for this year's meeting were included.
* My role: Secretary / Treasurer on the Association BOD
* Special Assessments are not limited in any way or fashion in our Covenants/ByLaws. In fact, there is no mention of them, and in following Colorado law, they could be instituted by simple Board vote, for any reason the Board decides is necessary for the Association finances.
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Special Note: while the Annual Meeting has always been held physically, last year we went Zoom due to Covid. It was great, but we went back to physical meeting this year. The Meeting Notice stated, "TENTATIVE ZOOM ATTENDANCE: Please note that we have an officer who will bring their mobile hotspot device. We are hoping that we can allow out-of-town members to Zoom into the physical meeting. However, without having had a chance to test the device at the fire house, we cannot guarantee that it will work. We ask that, for those who hope to join us via Zoom, they go ahead and submit a Proxy, in case the Zoom connection does not work."
We're a very, VERY rural area of Colorado, where getting a signal is a sign of miracles to happen). The day before, I took my portable internet to the meeting site, which not only lacked any chance at grabbing data, but also offered zero cell phone reception, including texting. Immediately thereafter, an email went out to the membership letting them know that adding the hoped-for Zoom to our meeting was not possible.
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One of the problems we've had in our association is that the geniuses who first set it up hard-coded the Assessment at a firm dollar amount, with no mention of raise, in the Covenants. While we've now got a Committee who will go thru the Covenants and By-Laws to educate our membership about what could and should be changed to protect both the Association and members' pocketbooks, we currently do not have enough of a vote to raise assessments.
At the Annual Meeting, we had an Agenda Item in UNFINISHED BUSINESS, 4. Road Maintenance - Are all roads u to par at this time? If not, what would be the cost to do so? A roundtable discussion started, and in that roundtable, regular members agreed that we needed to have the new committee created to look at the Covenants/ByLaws. However, the discussion went on to say that such a committee report and the subsequent vote might take a year, which would not help the current finances of trying to support the maintenance issue. Straw votes were tossed around about how much extra we'd all be willing to pay (current assessment is $300 per property). It was noted to the membership attending that, while our Covenants and ByLaws do not put any restrictions on Special Assessments, meaning they could be created by a board vote alone, the Board was not comfortable doing so. A motion came from the floor to create a $150 Special Assessment, and it passed unanimously. The agreement was that the invoice for that Special Assessment would be submitted to folks by August 1.
Keep in mind that with a unanimous vote, the Special Assessment received 55% of the total membership.
Let's skip to 3 days later, when a Board Member who was not at the meeting read one of the emails among the board about the special assessment being added to the budget, and a new vote for budget was required. She is very unhappy about it, demanding that the vote be rescinded immediately, and we send out a paper ballot to all members asking them to vote again. Her complaints are:
1. you cannot use special assessments for road maintenance (not sure where she got that idea - from what I've read, ongoing maintenance is the one point when courts have upheld contested special assessments)
2. the special assessment was not on the Agenda (although budgeting road maintenance was on the agenda, referencing last year's annual meeting, at which time a special assessment and raise in assessment was discussed);
3. you have to have a special meeting to discuss assessments (not true);
4. The vote should not count, as people who might have come were not allowed to participate, despite a promise to set up Zoom (again, there was no promise of Zoom, but a hope that we could get it working. Again, the meeting noticed stated that Zoom was tentative, and encouraged folks to submit their proxy in its stead. And, they were notified when we discovered Zoom would not work at that location.)
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I got a call from the Board president this morning, telling me to create a new ballot and send it out, that we're going to take a vote. I pointed out that the motion has already been made and voted on, and it passed. IF he wants a change, then the Board needs to vote on one of these three options:
1. Leave it alone, re-affirming that the vote carried.
2. Send out a vote to the membership allowing them to overturn the already decided earlier vote.
3. As a Board, vote that we have decided we do not have the need for this Special Assessment, and can do fine without it. [Warning, however – if the Board turns over a vote carried by the full membership, then it is setting a dangerous precedent in telling the folks, “we don’t care what you vote – we’ll decide for ourselves.”]
With our newly elected BOD, we have 6 members on the Board - so far 2 have vote to send out the invoices, and 1 has voted the rescind the vote. I know that a second will vote to rescind (since that's the one who complained to begin with), leaving us with the two newest board members still to vote.
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OK, so for my question. First of all - am I wrong in that if we're putting a vote out to the membership, the vote would need to be for the membership to overturn the Special Assessment which was already voted on? Or am I going in the totally wrong direction here?
Thanks for your patience in reading this, and I'm hoping that someone will help me out on knowing what I'm doing is either right or wrong.
First of all, brief notes about the Association:
* Members (Properties): 51
* Annual Meeting Quorum: 25% (13)
* Annual Meeting Attendance: 28 (17 live, 11 proxy) 55%
* Annual Meeting was properly and timely noticed (32 days in advance; ByLaws call for 30 days advance notice), and with that notice the Minutes from last year's Annual Meeting, as well as Agenda for this year's meeting were included.
* My role: Secretary / Treasurer on the Association BOD
* Special Assessments are not limited in any way or fashion in our Covenants/ByLaws. In fact, there is no mention of them, and in following Colorado law, they could be instituted by simple Board vote, for any reason the Board decides is necessary for the Association finances.
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Special Note: while the Annual Meeting has always been held physically, last year we went Zoom due to Covid. It was great, but we went back to physical meeting this year. The Meeting Notice stated, "TENTATIVE ZOOM ATTENDANCE: Please note that we have an officer who will bring their mobile hotspot device. We are hoping that we can allow out-of-town members to Zoom into the physical meeting. However, without having had a chance to test the device at the fire house, we cannot guarantee that it will work. We ask that, for those who hope to join us via Zoom, they go ahead and submit a Proxy, in case the Zoom connection does not work."
We're a very, VERY rural area of Colorado, where getting a signal is a sign of miracles to happen). The day before, I took my portable internet to the meeting site, which not only lacked any chance at grabbing data, but also offered zero cell phone reception, including texting. Immediately thereafter, an email went out to the membership letting them know that adding the hoped-for Zoom to our meeting was not possible.
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One of the problems we've had in our association is that the geniuses who first set it up hard-coded the Assessment at a firm dollar amount, with no mention of raise, in the Covenants. While we've now got a Committee who will go thru the Covenants and By-Laws to educate our membership about what could and should be changed to protect both the Association and members' pocketbooks, we currently do not have enough of a vote to raise assessments.
At the Annual Meeting, we had an Agenda Item in UNFINISHED BUSINESS, 4. Road Maintenance - Are all roads u to par at this time? If not, what would be the cost to do so? A roundtable discussion started, and in that roundtable, regular members agreed that we needed to have the new committee created to look at the Covenants/ByLaws. However, the discussion went on to say that such a committee report and the subsequent vote might take a year, which would not help the current finances of trying to support the maintenance issue. Straw votes were tossed around about how much extra we'd all be willing to pay (current assessment is $300 per property). It was noted to the membership attending that, while our Covenants and ByLaws do not put any restrictions on Special Assessments, meaning they could be created by a board vote alone, the Board was not comfortable doing so. A motion came from the floor to create a $150 Special Assessment, and it passed unanimously. The agreement was that the invoice for that Special Assessment would be submitted to folks by August 1.
Keep in mind that with a unanimous vote, the Special Assessment received 55% of the total membership.
Let's skip to 3 days later, when a Board Member who was not at the meeting read one of the emails among the board about the special assessment being added to the budget, and a new vote for budget was required. She is very unhappy about it, demanding that the vote be rescinded immediately, and we send out a paper ballot to all members asking them to vote again. Her complaints are:
1. you cannot use special assessments for road maintenance (not sure where she got that idea - from what I've read, ongoing maintenance is the one point when courts have upheld contested special assessments)
2. the special assessment was not on the Agenda (although budgeting road maintenance was on the agenda, referencing last year's annual meeting, at which time a special assessment and raise in assessment was discussed);
3. you have to have a special meeting to discuss assessments (not true);
4. The vote should not count, as people who might have come were not allowed to participate, despite a promise to set up Zoom (again, there was no promise of Zoom, but a hope that we could get it working. Again, the meeting noticed stated that Zoom was tentative, and encouraged folks to submit their proxy in its stead. And, they were notified when we discovered Zoom would not work at that location.)
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I got a call from the Board president this morning, telling me to create a new ballot and send it out, that we're going to take a vote. I pointed out that the motion has already been made and voted on, and it passed. IF he wants a change, then the Board needs to vote on one of these three options:
1. Leave it alone, re-affirming that the vote carried.
2. Send out a vote to the membership allowing them to overturn the already decided earlier vote.
3. As a Board, vote that we have decided we do not have the need for this Special Assessment, and can do fine without it. [Warning, however – if the Board turns over a vote carried by the full membership, then it is setting a dangerous precedent in telling the folks, “we don’t care what you vote – we’ll decide for ourselves.”]
With our newly elected BOD, we have 6 members on the Board - so far 2 have vote to send out the invoices, and 1 has voted the rescind the vote. I know that a second will vote to rescind (since that's the one who complained to begin with), leaving us with the two newest board members still to vote.
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OK, so for my question. First of all - am I wrong in that if we're putting a vote out to the membership, the vote would need to be for the membership to overturn the Special Assessment which was already voted on? Or am I going in the totally wrong direction here?
Thanks for your patience in reading this, and I'm hoping that someone will help me out on knowing what I'm doing is either right or wrong.