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HarveyK (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
What recourse does a homeowner have if continual inquiry into a maintenance request goes ignored? We notified our HOA manager approximately 9 months ago about a noise problem in a mechanical room that has adversely effected our ability to sleep. Two units are affected by this problem.

The request was made in February and there was no response for almost 2 months. After we filed a report with BBB, they finally responded. Since than, most responses have been "We're looking into it". In short, it's been almost 9 months and there has been no progress. There have been 3 contractors that came in and made a diagnosis and a suggestion. However, those suggestions are being ignored. Also, my request to talk to the Manager directly has been denied with the reason that a face to face meeting can only happen at the board meeting. And the board meetings are pretty much useless as they continually assure us that there will be progress before the next board meeting. And of course, there is never a progress. They promise to make an appointment with another contractor but it took them 2 months to make a 30 minute appointment with the last contractor.

They continue to claim that they have been responsive since they respond to our e-mails. But the e-mails always say the same thing. Essentially, "we're looking into it". Now they have cut off all communication with us with a reason that we're being "unreasonable". In the meantime, we still can't sleep at night because of the noise. Any suggestion would be deeply appreciated.

I have e-mail correspondence to prove everything I've written above. Should I take this to a lawyer? Is there another place where I can file a complaint just to scare them into at least talking to us again without getting them in trouble? That would be ideal as I don't want to get anybody in trouble - I just want my problem fixed.

Thank you.
JaneK (California)
Posts: 175
Posted:
You HOA should have a procedure for internal dispute resolution. It should be disclosed to you yearly. If you didn’t get one, ask for it. It’s required by CA Civil Code §1363.850. See what it says.

You might try a formal paper letter to the board. The board is responsible for the management company. In your docs there should be a statement about peace and enjoyment of your property. Which you obviously aren’t getting if you can’t sleep at night. Try quoting that particular section in your letter. Send copies of the letter to the State Attorney General http://ag.ca.gov/index.php and your State congresspersons. http://www.legislature.ca.gov/legislators_and_districts/legislators/your_legislator.html
Document everything. All the requests, dates, responses of board and management, etc.

If that fails, you may need to talk to a lawyer concerning arbitration or mediation. Both the board and management should respond to you. Check if your local library has a ‘lawyers in the library” program you get 20 min to ½ hour to talk to a lawyer for free.

Jane
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Harvey,

Do you have any idea what the problem is that's causing all the noise? I'm wondering if perhaps it's a very expensive problem to fix and the HOA doesn't have the money, so they keep bringing in more contractors to try to come up with a "band aid" solution that they can afford.

I'd keep writing a letter to the Board of Directors in care of the property manager every month and showing up at every Board meeting until something gets done about it. It's the Board of Directors who has to make the decision to hire the contractor and pay for the repair, so keep the pressure on them until the work gets done.

Good luck.
HarveyK (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hi Patrick,

Yes - our facility manager, the three contractors all came to the conclusion that the vast majority of the noise is coming from the boiler pump in the mechanical room. It's kind of weird as we've been living there for 4 years but the noise has manifested itself only within the past year. But none of the contractors "guaranteed" anything as the noise goes away when the pump is completely off. They couldn't say for sure if installing a new pump would eliminate the problem. But that's what the contractors told me directly. What our HOA manager has been telling the board is that none of the contractors were able to "pin point the problem". To be honest, I don't know exactly what information is being relayed to the board. Based on the questions they're asking me during our monthly board meeting, I don't believe they have all the facts. Also, I don't have the contact info for the board so I can't update the information to them directly. My HOA manager refuses to divulge that information claiming that she is not allow to release private information about the board.

thank you for your suggestion. I'll try to get the board's address and send them a letter to them directly.
HarveyK (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thank you Jane,

I will write them a formal letter once I'm able to obtain their contact info. As I just responded to Patrick, the HOA manager is refusing to divulge their contact info to me stating that she is not allow to release their person info to public. So I have to depend on the HOA manager relaying all my e-mails to them. I'm not 100% convinced that they are getting all the information.

I certainly hope that this doesn't require a lawyer. Thanks for the hint on the free lawyer program. I looked it up and there happens to be one this Saturday in downtown San Jose'. It's not "lawyers in the library" program but it'll do.

thanks again and if you have any other suggestions, please post a reply.
HarveyK (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Wow - there is a "lawyers in the library" program at San Jose' library. And most other libraries in the bay area. I never knew. Thank you for the information.
LindaC3 (Florida)
Posts: 526
Posted:
Harvey......My husband is a plumber and from northern states that deal with boilers..He wants to know if the noise is a hammering sound when pump is running ?? Lindac3
HarveyK (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
It is a low humming vibrating noise. Almost like a noise you'll hear when the flourescent light first comes on. And there are 2 boiler pumps in the room and they are always running 24 X 7 - which is a little confusing because I thought it would only go on when required. But I'm not a plumber. They're all interconnected by various pipes and it appears that the pipes are moving and vibrating constantly. All I know is that if the pumps are turned off (actually, just one of the pumps), the noise dissipates. Some days are worse than others.

I'm a little frustrated because our HOA hired a Sound engineer to look into a problem that we've known about since February. And the fact that the HOA manager took 2 months to make a 15 minute appointment to have him come in and come to the same conclusion. The HOA manager told me that Sound Engineers are hard to nail down and 2 months to make an appointment to have them come in is reasonable. I guess I have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
You definitely need a lawyer. You have been more patient than I would have been. You have the right to enjoy your property. Even granting this so-called expert's two month foot dragging appointment, (gave them two months off the hook didn't it?), your management company is not doing everything necessary to fix the problem. And it is their problem. They have ignored the suggestions from three other contractors. An attorney need to ask them Why? I would say they are not acting in good faith to fix the problem, despite their "looking into it." Good luck. Harold
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Harvey,

I wasn't suggesting that you write a letter to each individual Board member at their home address, you should be writing the letters, NOT EMAILS, to the Board of Directors in care of your property mangement company at their business address.

You might also want to consider getting in touch with some local agency such as the Building or Safety Department in your city or county and ask them to come out and inspect the boiler. Not trying to scare you, but depending on how large the boiler is and how close it is to you and other residents, it may be a safety issue even more than a noise issue. If a boiler pump shuts down while the boiler is running, the pressure build up inside the boiler could become very dangerous.

HarveyK (California)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I sent them letters and even knocked on the Board president's door but they're telling me that they cannot discuss the issue until all board members are present. Meaning, we can only discuss the matter at the monthly board meeting.

We got the report from the Sound engineer and based on his report, the board decided to "close" this case as "inconclusive". And they didn't even have the common decency to tell me directly. I heard this through the grapevine.

I like to post an excerpt of the report and get your input. They're saying that the dwelling "complies" with the industry standard and there is nothing they can do about it. Here is the excerpt from the report:
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Tonal noise can cause annoyance even when overall noise levels are low. In fact, tones stand out and may be more noticeable when broad band background noise levels are low. Design goals for tonal noise are not well established.

In unit XXX, a significant tone appeared at a frequency of 32.5 Hz when Boiler 3's pump was switched off, and Boiler 4's pump was left running. The tone disappeared when Boiler 4's pump was switched off. The Change was clearly audible.

Conclusion

Broad band noise levels in both dwelling units are low and comply with industry standards for background noise in dwelling units. Tones are present, but their relationship to the state of the pumps is not direct. Consider the following options:

1. Raise the broad band background noise level to help mask the tones. This may be accomplished by means of electronic sound masking devices.

2. Conduct further measurements and analysis to identify how tones are being transmitted into the dwelling units, so that effective noise reduction measures can be implemented. Investigtion and analysis may not include further interviewing residents to better characterize the sources of their complaints. It is possible that they are hearing two separte things. Replacing pumps, installing vibration isolators, and isolating pipes may be effective. However, without further analysis we cannot estimate how much these measures would reduce noise.
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Do I have a case if I take them to court? If so, can anybody recommend a good lawyer in San Jose area? Or anywhere in the bay area? They want to close this case and have me live with this noise for the rest of my life!

I appreciate it. I think these people are taking advantage of me because I have been patient and have been trying to work with them for the past 10 months. Based on what I have heard from my friends, they essentially calling me a "pushover" for enduring this for 10 months.

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