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DavidM13 (Texas)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Our association is having trouble raising dues. We have opposition from the elderley on a fixed income and property owners who own multiple lots. The need for increased dues is known by all. I was wondering if anyone out there has a creative compromise that I may be able to present to the association.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Been there.. Done that. Our HOA only nominally raised rates 5 times over 16 years and their paying for it now. "Pay me now, or Pay me later". Reserve studies are required in this state every 5 years that it says it all. How IS your reserve fund?... and when was the last study done. Everyone is looking at large increases or surcharges from their contract vendors due to fuel/energy costs. It's a tough decision, but if you don't do it now, you all could be looking at assessments down the road. I'm not so sure that you want to compromise on this most important issue. Sorry, I'm not empathizing to much with the owners that have multiple lots, but I do feel for the folks with folks with fixed incomes.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Been there.. Done that. Our HOA only nominally raised rates 5 times over 16 years and their paying for it now. "Pay me now, or Pay me later". Reserve studies are required in this state every 5 years that it says it all. How IS your reserve fund?... and when was the last study done. Everyone is looking at large increases or surcharges from their contract vendors due to fuel/energy costs. It's a tough decision, but if you don't do it now, you all could be looking at assessments down the road. I'm not so sure that you want to compromise on this most important issue. Sorry, I'm not empathizing to much with the owners that have multiple lots, but I do feel for the folks with folks with fixed incomes.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
DavidM13 - May I suggest you get a chalkboard or a projector and do some transparencies? Graphically show the owners where their money is going and how much money is needed to get the Association to where it needs to be to not only cover the budget but save for a rainy day. The owners can cry you a river all they want but economic reality is your responsibility to recognize and not compromise to the expense of fiduciary duty. You may or may not be liable in your state to live up to your fiduciary responsibility. But even if you aren't you may be talking about the difference between what is economically prudent and just plain foolhardy. Unless your governing documents provide a sliding scale of maintenance contribution based upon age, or every owner is willing to enact such a mechanism, no matter how the elderly income may pull at your heartstrings, you can't capitulate to the tug.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
I would really scrutinize(?) your expenses including vendors, especially if recommended by PM. I have found they/PM have their favorites and really don't care to shop around. Yes, they get 3 bids
but that shouldn't stop you from seeing if there is a better, cheaper
way to do it. Example: A wooden side gate needed 2 posts and new lock, some paint. Gate was ok. Estimate was $750. The vendor detailed the job to make it look like a room addition. Bottom line
2 posts, rehang the good gate, paint and new latch. He resubmitted bid for $400..which was ok with the board. I know it tricky because
the vendors need insurance including worker's comp......but get real.
Good luck
Jackie
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DavidM13: JackieB is correct in her post which states that PMs have their "favorite" vendors...

Have you looked into reducing vendor maintenance costs by securing other contractor bids? There are many ways to reduce snow costs and landscaping costs as a means to keep the assessment fee stable or even lower it.

If you can seriously devote time to having other contractors visit on-site to give you costs and then present your effort to the community, I believe the residents will acknowledge your effort. It will then be easier to work out the needed increase/decrease in assessment fee.

It is certainly easy to understand that costs go up, but there are ways to trim them if you are willing to make the effort. Perhaps you would want to think about creating a Task Force Committee to look into other bids and even network with other communities to learn what they are doing to keep costs down.

We are all faced with the same problem, so be sure to post us your success!

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Increasing fees.

Paul and Jackie and everyone else are on target.

But an observation is in order and some have touched on it. Great preparations and justifications are instituted to increase budgets. We even have our our dues linked to the CPI. A process I don't like, because it is just like walking down the street each year and finding a bunch of money, then going home and figuring out how to spend it.

What I have never seen at a board meeting, lo these many years, is a reverse long range plan (sic). I have heard all Board expound on how tight the budget is and of course there is a budget published, for what that is worth. But most is just lip service about how the board is scimping and saving. No transparences of how we saved x amount of dollars by doing Y, or we did not give the manager a bonus this year because we can't afford it, or we sold x amount of old lumber to y for z amount of $.
There should be an agenda item at each annual meeting that actually requires budget items to be broken down into individual explanation. No more line items like:
Discretionary fund..........................10k
Office expenses.............................5K
Milage charges..............................6 K

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