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JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Can the HOA do anything to support a few
neighbors that feel criminal activity
is going on at a house on their street?
They have notified police, also the BOD.
The home was purchased in 2005, has a
lock box on the door (no for sale sign)
and wierd people in and out all evening
and nite long.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JackieB,
I would think that the board would have great concern for this kind of activity, and should be informed as you go along.
However, the Board should not be expected to play detective and scrutinize someones dwelling because a neighbor says so. I think that is clear and understandable. If any illegal activity takes place outside the home the Board should have an active interest.
I'm not preaching but the fact we live in an HOA does not negate the fact we live in a neighborhood and are obligated as a member of the community to protect the community. Even the cave men had watchers out around their cave to protect from attack by animals. I'm not quite that old to remember it. So my suggestion is to get some neighbors together and document what you see and then go to police station and have a little chat.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Robert,
I am sorry you got the impression that we were questioning or
even doubting the activity. Actually the Bod takes issues like
this very seriously which prompted me to share it because this is the
first experience for this BOD. The neighbors have done just what you
suggested in your last sentence, and I wanted no rock left unturned.
I appreciate your feedback.
Jackie
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
JackieB: Has the BOD communicated with the "Owner of Record" as to why there is a lock box on the door? The BOD could also state they are concerned with the amount of activity seen at all hours day and night. As a BOD they are looking out for the welfare of the other members of the community and should be privy to questionable and suspicious activity.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Sounds like the right thing to do to
me. I will share with the other BOD's
and I am sure we will send a letter.
Thanks so much
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Jackie:

Along with informing the Owner I would contact the Chief of Police and let him know about the activity and allow him to put his detectives on it.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
To all,
IMHO. There is a huge differences between an owner reporting suspecious activity around their place of dwelling, than that of a HOA business inquiring about activities inside a house, based on the reports of someone else. Whether there is a lock box on the door or not is not reason enough for big brother to butt in and reports by individuals should be handled by the police. There would seem to be less libel actions to take by big brother. Nothing wrong with a Board member accompaning the owners to the Police station as support and voice their concern to police. But don't go so far as to accuse anyone. Are you sure that is the only house in the neighborhood that has a lock box? How do you KNOW the lock box was not placed there by a realtor, they don't have to put a sign out for the place to be for sale.
All I am saying is the Board better be very careful what they do, the individual is seeking protection for the home they own and live in, the HOA is protecting the common areas and has no responsibility to any individual home. That does not mean they shoulddn't be concerned what goes on in the community and have very limited powers over individual dwelling. Not true with a Condo. The BOD of a condo has the right to access any individual unit without the owners permission if warrented, and they better be careful about that.
RW1 (Texas)
Posts: 149
Posted:
This type of rumor based, gossipy medeling is why so many people hate HOA BODs.

People can't accept different values and lifestyles from their own.

If they are causing a nuisance then document it and enforce your docs. to the limit.

What hours they keep or whether there is a lock box on a door means nothing.

Being different is not against the law.

RW1
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
thank you for your advice. We won't step over the line.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
It's not rumor.......its fact, well documented by many neighbors.
How would you feel if prostitution or drug dealing was "possibly"
being done across the street as your 2 teenage daughters came home from school? They are reporting what they see, not what "they think."

RaymondC (Minnesota)
Posts: 64
Posted:
This is just too simple! It is not a board problem, it is a police problem. Let the folks seeing the activity call 911, and the police will handle this. If they somehow talk themselves out of it the first time, call every time you see illegal behaviour.
JackieB1 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
thanks........agree!!
DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Jackie, if there is a lock box on the door, contact a local real estate agent that you know. Give him/her the property address, and ask for the listing agent's name and phone if it is indeed listed or expired. Then give this listing agent a call and inform them of your observations, as a concerned neighbor. Agent may have knowledge of whether or not this home is "vacant" or not, and may have a perfectly good explanation of what your neighbors are witnessing. And if not, then figure out your next option. Start there, can't hurt.
RW1 (Texas)
Posts: 149
Posted:
"It's no rumor...it's fact"........"possibly".
JackieB1 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
You win!!
JackieB1 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Great idea. Thanks.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jackie:

Back on point, I think the success of any successful neighborhood watch is active citizens and an active HOA. It sounds like you have both, however, there is a line IMO, that the HOA needs to stay on the other side of. It is the responsibility of the police to investigate. It is the HOA's job to bring public awareness to crime prevention and safety. If the residents are observing things they feel are wrong they should report it to the HOA and to the police department. Your HOA should have a liaison with the police department that you can contact and inform of the situation.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
BradP,
I just suggest you be very careful about the HOA reporting third person violations to the Fuzz. An owner with a personal vendetta against the neighbor can make up all kinds of stuff and then you say the HOA should call cops. A liaison is a good idea but the complain should come from the one observing the action. Protect the HOA.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
Thanks for all the input. It is comforting to know what the "standard of care" is across the nation. To kind of sum it up, myself and rest of BOD want to be aware of suspicious activity and support the neighbors who
make police reports. We use our wonderful web site (thank you Doug) to alert our community about facts....not suspicions. Ironically last nite
was the "first ever" car break-in at our neighborhood. A strange man was
seen walking around "looking" during the day but the person didn't call the police. We aren't profiling and can't even connect the two. But gut
instinct still exhists and being compassionate to the victims still remains the priority.
Jackie
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
JackieB,
Please, please, don't take offense but look at this as something possible that we do automatically. I do it, I should and I hope someday no one will do it. A "gut feeling" when you are looking for some one to blame can often be discrimination. Since I am probably much older than you I have made more mistakes. I am sincerely sure you did not mean what I said, and if any fault is there it is my reaction to your words and anyone else that has a "Gut reaction" to your gut reaction.
I also endorse having a high priority towards security of the neighborhood. I also had my car broken into recently and cash and pain pills plus wallet etc was taken. It is not nice to experience. The very best on your activism, HOA could use thousands as interested and interesting.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
I am flattered but probably older than you....which means "I am a mother so I don't scare easily." I know it's politically incorrect to deny gut feelings but I challenge most people who are parents or have participated in raising kids, especially teens, that if they hadn't followed their gut feeling they would have regretted it. I hear you and appreciate your concerns.......don't fret. let's give it a rest.
thanks,
J
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Jackie,
I've been frett'in ever since I posted my stupid reply. It was out of line and I'm sorry. But, I do believe I have a few years on just about all folks posting on the internet. I am even registered on Facebook, my 21 year old grandson did that.
Have a nice evening.
JackieB1 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
OK.........you beat it out of me. I am 65 in 6 weeks. No apology necessary
because I post something when I want to hear what people think. If we agree
to disagree it simply isn't personal. I appreciate all the comments even
though a few miss the message I am concerned about. hopefully I too will
improve with my wording. Ta Ta for now.

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