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CharlesM2 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I'm looking for opinions on if a police vehicle is or is not allowed per the following covenant:

VEHICLES: No vehicles other than pleasure vehicles, and no Trucks (except of the light pick-up kind) or Trailers
or Boats shall be parked on or adjacent to any property, except that such vehicles or craft may be stored within an
enclosed garage.

I'm NOT looking for opinions on if it's OK to bend the rules for the benefit of other homeowners because it is a police vehicle.

Thanks for all opinions.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
State law can over ride your documents. Public safety vehicles is one class of vehicles Arizona statutes allows to be parked in HOAs "notwithstanding" whatever the documents say. Check your state laws first. You may not be able to restrict them. Harold
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Usually the covenants follow our county codes which basically excludes a police "sedan" as a commercial vehicle. Bear in mind that all of our streets and parking lots are privately owned common areas.

Definition of commercial vehicle in our docs (as example) is a little more specific.. " Commercial Vehicles - Parking of commercial vehicles in the Community is not allowed. Fairfax County Defines commercial vehicles as any vehicle with a carrying caacity of 1500 pounds (3/4 ton) or more. Commercial vehicles cannot be parked in open view in the Community. Additionally, any vehicles with advertising, regardless of its carrying capacity, is considered a commercial vehicle. Advertising is defined to include, but not be limited to, the display of a company and/or product name and telephone number".

Then it goes to say that police and government sedans are excluded from this definition. All of our spaces are very small and really won't accomodate the width of 3/4 trucks.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Good for your covenants Mike! The OP didn't want any comments about it, but I can't imagine why anyone would be against having a police car parked on their street.
To refresh my memory I just looked up the Arizona statue and it does not differentiate between gated or non gated HOAs. Private or public streets. "Notwithstanding any provision in the community documents, an association shall not prohibit a resident from parking a motor vehicle on a street or driveway in the planned community if the vehicle is required to be available at designated periods at the person's residence as a condition of the person's employment..." There follows those vehicles allowed, including public safety vehicles. Harold
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
I'm with Harold,
They can come and park outside my door if they want to.
Really if anyone has a covenant about parking and it excludes the presence of vehicle with Police on them, best to dele that part of covenant.
In fact I think I will suggest at next meeting we buy a couple of old wrecks and paint police all over them and park them at the entrance in the flower beds at the gate.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Send the cop car our way. I bet no criminal in their right mind would try to enter or steal from a house with a patrol car in the driveway.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Charles:

According to your CCR quote I do not see where it would prohibit a police car.
RW1 (Texas)
Posts: 149
Posted:
Pleasure vehicles?

What is a pleasure vehicle?

To ME it's: an ATV, a motorcycle, a dune buggy, a swamp buggy, a hoovercraft, a tank, a golf cart, a go kart.

A police car is the least of your worries.

RW1
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
"Pleasure" vehicle? You're right! What's up with that description or definition? Never have I seen this reference in HOA Docs. Someone needs to tighten up the language here.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mike, I had to tape my fingers up to keep from answering this one, Pleasure vehicle. I had one back in 1950. It was a 1940 green Ford sedan 4 door. Thats a PLEASURE VEHICLE, especially in the back seat during a drive in movie. I am typing this with my nose and this is all I can type without getting a sore nose. Ahhh Pleasure Vehicle.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
LOL Robert. You are from my generation. I was in high school and college in the 50's. So I know all about drive in movies. I think there might still be one left here in Phoenix, but the space they take up is more valuable for building something on instead. Harold
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Robert - you all priceless indeed! Thanks for the good laugh. BTW. When is Hoatalk going to have a convention, so I can meet some of you characters? Let's have it in a warm climate like Charlestown or Fla.
SusanJ3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 61
Posted:
We have that same situation in our community, and we wouldn't care other than he parks it in parking designated for the non-garage units vs. his own driveway which his garage home plan provides. Means he'd block in his cute Mustang convertible. THAT'S the rub in our neck of the woods. He's made the claim that his department won't permit it to be parked in front of his house, something I find to be a bit unbelievable.

Then again, the argument comes up since HE is being permitted park, what about the lifeguards and the two firemen who bring home state vehicles...

If he'd parked in his own spot, no one would have cared.
SusanJ3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 61
Posted:
"As a condition of one's employment..."

Boy, that is a bit loaded, isn't it? We have people who bring home their cable trucks and pest control vehicles who would love that verbage. What the issue has been in our community is that these are in addition to personally own vehicles and each home is only entitled to use two spaces. Then, you have others who complain that anything with writing of any kind makes it a commercial vehicle.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Actually I could see the logic of a department not wanting it parked in front of an officer's house, just like they don't identify home addresses because of the possible risk of an officer/home being targeted by some whacko! It could be a safety issue for him or his family being put at additional risk.

Quote:
Posted By SusanJ3 on 10/30/2007 8:54 AM
We have that same situation in our community, and we wouldn't care other than he parks it in parking designated for the non-garage units vs. his own driveway which his garage home plan provides. Means he'd block in his cute Mustang convertible. THAT'S the rub in our neck of the woods. He's made the claim that his department won't permit it to be parked in front of his house, something I find to be a bit unbelievable.

Then again, the argument comes up since HE is being permitted park, what about the lifeguards and the two firemen who bring home state vehicles...

If he'd parked in his own spot, no one would have cared.

DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Susan, 'anything with writing'.

Ask those folks if their vehicle has any writing that promotes a company. When they say no, tell them 'ford, gm, chrysler, toyota, volvo does just that!
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Not only the vehicle maker name but usually the dealer's name on a decal and/or license plate holder too. Can't get more commercial than that.
I did refuse to buy my last car if they put the dealer decal on the trunk. Told them if they want me drive around town and US advertising for them, they can pay for it. They left it off. Harold
SusanJ3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 61
Posted:
If the officer is concerned about personal risk, why bring it home, anyway, be it a single family home or a townhouse? He can drive his Mustang to work and then take off in his squad car.

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