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SarahW4 (Virginia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Hello,

I have only posted once before. Perhaps someone will be interested in weighing in on the behavior of a treasurer related to financial/reserve study issues.  I would appreciate another person's characterization of the situation.  I finished my term on the board.  We have an aging community of under 70 units with several expensive retaining walls.  What I found is the authoritarian board member, who is treasurer, is incapable of reading and understanding the reserve studies and has not incorporated all the capital components into the long term financial plan for our Association.  I was concerned and started reading the two reserves studies we have and discovered missing components, especially the scheduled replacement of a $150,000 retaining wall due around 2028/9.  There is a monument wall and two sets of cement steps that "looked fine" that have also been omitted from the list of components.  I conveyed this information to the treasurer and the board.  It was very upsetting for the treasurer who later denied we need to replace anything, just repair it (see quote below).
 
There has been much discussion on repairing the long entrance retaining wall and due to its neglect, I believe it is now at the end of its life.  It was built in 1968 and was assigned a lifespan of 60 years by two different specialists.  The treasurer argued for many months against spending money on a required reserve study due this month, claiming it is a waste of money and we can do it ourselves.  I did my best to present accurate information to the board and the community.  He did the reserve study and I couldn't figure out the numbers.  I found he assigned the entrance retaining wall a new lifespan of 40 years (before any repairs) due to be replaced in 2035 (not 2028/9).  In other words, he is planning on patching it up at some point and passing it on to a future board.  The rubber stamp board does not supervise his work.  

The self-generated reserve study did not include a physical examination of the components and I question whether it is a valid study.  The treasurer has no qualifications to conduct one and I feel he has a conflict of interest as treasurer.  Frankly I believe he is incompetent and he is also has a set opinion about what he will find.  Can someone change a lifespan without replacing the component?  If the wall needs immediate replacement isn't it ethical to present that to the community for a decision?  Unfortunately it will reveal inept financial planning as they knew about this wall since 2010 and the board was critical of the study claiming the components were too high.  This was followed by years of false and misleading commentary dismissive of reserve studies in general.  The studies were called everything from "boilerplate" to a "black box analysis."  It is the treasurer's practice to control with multiple false narratives on all association business and his willfulness is remarkable.  To date the two reserve studies have gone unexamined.  We did have a superior treasurer for two previous years who managed to build a solid reserve fund, but she also missed the components. Virginia law does not include a definition of the study.  I know some of my options but would like to know how would you characterize these actions and behavior?  It is ignoring the law, is it not?  

I am sorry this is so long and confusing but thank you for consideration. 
Sarah W.  

Sample of his of view on the subject:
"We should be free to replace and repair capital assets when they actually require replacement or repair using our own judgment supplemented by professional advice.  Replacing the perfectly sound and functional concrete flights of steps at the final turn of  XXX Road and the turn of XXX Way, merely because the Reserves Study said they shouldn’t still be usable, seems foolishly wasteful to me [they have been dropped from the list of components].  Capital asset lifetimes are no more perfectly predictable than our own.  Capital assets that can be repaired and continue to function do not need to be replaced at a much higher cost."  [He also does not want to raise dues.  The last increase was 10 years ago.]

I found this definition of a reserve study;https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/reserve-study  Reserve Studies have been required every five years in Virginia since 2002.https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title55.1/chapter18/section55.1-1826/
§ 55.1-1826. Annual budget; reserves for capital components.
Common Interest Community Board (CICB) Guidelines for Reserve Studies   [The CICB is the regulatory body of HOAs in Virginia.]
http://www.dpor.virginia.gov/uploadedFiles/MainSite/Content/Boards/CIC/CICB_Draft%20Reserve%20Study%20Guidelines%20(public%20comment).pdf
https://www.caionline.org/LearningCenter/credentials/Documents/RS%20Designation%20National%20Reserve%20Study%20Standards.pdf
Reserve Specialist | National Reserve Study Standards / General Information About Reserve Studies
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Where was the rest of the board when this was going on? Did they agree with what the treasurer was doing? If not, why didn't they push to have at least one reserve study done by professionals? Aside from that, has the board been setting assessments high enough to fund your reserves according to this rosy scenario, or are your finances even further away from where they need to be?

Based on what you've presented, I agree that there are some questionable assumptions in that study, along with the missing components. I don't agree that the treasurer has a conflict of interest unless he was paid for doing this study - otherwise he'll actually be harmed by it, along with the rest of the community, when reality fails to conform to his overly-optimistic view of things. If the issue is only that he appears to benefit in the short run by keeping assessments artificially low, then that's true of all board members - nobody wants higher assessments.

As you noted, any reserve study is only as good as the assumptions it used. Board members are capable of doing good studies, but they need the necessary skills to assess remaining useful life of various components and to make accurate financial projections. If they don't have these skills - and most boards are lacking in these areas - they need to bring in the professionals at least occasionally. If I were on your board, I'd be pushing to have this done. (I'd also be checking my state's laws to see what they say about reserve studies in HOAs/COAs.)
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:


Hi Sarah,

The Treasurer is 100% correct in my opinion from a philosophical perspectiv. The Reserve Study is an estimate of both cost and expected life-cycle of your assets. If a capital asset is fully functioning in contradiction of the Reserve Study, then I'd not recommend replacing the asset until functionality is compromised.

In terms of Reserve Fund assets being listed, it's very difficult for a Reserve Study to truly account for replacing assets that are expected to enjoy lifespans greater than 30 years.

Also, adding 30-40 years of additional "life" to the Reserve Study doesn't mean anything if the wall is really facing physical compromise. Get an engineer out there (not a reserve study company).

Can you adjust the lifespan of an asset when it meets its "end of life" per a Reserve Study?

Absolutely. In my case, our pool plaster was given a reasonable 10-year life span. Our pool professional reports the the plaster, after 11 years, is still fully functional and attractive. Therefore, we mildly readjust the "life" to expect replastering after 13 years. However, under no circumstance do I assume we get another 10 years....it has to be visually managed now that we know we're "end of life."

This is a weird one because I agree with the Treasurer's general philosophy but, if a board director uses subjectivity to avoid true asset replacement to "save money," they're basically embezzling the life out of the capital assets and pushing the expenses onto future residents who will pay for something they haven't used yet.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Does the treasurer have any experience or training in evaluating capital components? She may be correct that something may look "ok" for now, but she probably hasn't factored in hidden damage no one can see (assuming she even knows what those could be) or une,elected events like storms that could cause enough damage to warrant repair or replacement a lot sooner than one expects. If the money isn't in reserves, a loan and or special assessment may be necessary and I guarantee you the homeowners will like that even less than regular assessments going up.

I'm sure she hasn't thought about inflation either - it seems to me every time theses a discussion on reserves on this website, almost everyone forgets what costs x dollars in 2021 won't cost the same in 2031.

Philosophy is fine, but it's better when tempered with several doses of reality. If this treasurer doesn't have the skill set to conduct a reserve study prooerly, the board would be irresponsible to let this ride without getting a professionally done reserve study, so I agree with Sara. I was treasurer of my board and there's no way I would attempt to do a reserve study of ignore a professional's recommendations without understanding the pros and cons.

do what you like with your own money and your own home, but when it comes to the association's money, board members just strive to make the best decisions they can for the benefit of the entire community. Sometimes you have to be the adult and make decisions people may not always like, and It's not always about cheaping everything out

It's ok to shop around for a good price and it may be a good idea for someone to tag along with the specialist to observe and ask questions. Maybe someone (like the treasurur?) might learn something and perhaps some time down the road she or he can take a whack at doing a study on their own

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Based on SarahW4's referencing the Virginia Property Owners Association Act in her first post to this form, this appears to be about a non-condo HOA in Virginia.
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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
We have an aging community of under 70 units with several expensive retaining walls.  What I found is the authoritarian board member, who is treasurer, is incapable of reading and understanding the reserve studies and has not incorporated all the capital components into the long term financial plan for our Association.
This raises red flags for me.

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
 I was concerned and started reading the two reserves studies we have and discovered missing components, especially the scheduled replacement of a $150,000 retaining wall due around 2028/9.
Please clarify: Did the Treasurer prepare these two reserve studies? Or did a professional reserve study company prepare them?

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
here is a monument wall and two sets of cement steps that "looked fine" that have also been omitted from the list of components.  I conveyed this information to the treasurer and the board.  It was very upsetting for the treasurer who later denied we need to replace anything, just repair it (see quote below).
I think issues are getting mixed up here. It's entirely possible a reserve component might outlast a prior reserve study's predicted estimated life. However in general, I think nearly all reserve components will eventually require full replacement.

Reserve studies are not an exact science. Yet they do help with planning. A competent Board will understand that reserve studies should be tweaked, and that at least one director should work with the reserve study company to make sure all agree on estimated lives and estimated costs // at the point in time when the reserve study is completed. //
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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
There has been much discussion on repairing the long entrance retaining wall and due to its neglect, I believe it is now at the end of its life.  It was built in 1968 and was assigned a lifespan of 60 years by two different specialists.
I think you should try to treat whether to replace or repair the long entrance retaining wall as an entirely separate issue. To me, the wall has little to do with how reserve studies are to be done.

If the wall does not pose a safety risk, and the dispute is mostly about appearance and optics yada, it might be quite subjective as to whether the wall requires replacement or can be repaired.

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
The treasurer argued for many months against spending money on a required reserve study due this month, claiming it is a waste of money and we can do it ourselves.
There are very few laypeople in this country that I would trust to be competent in completing a reserve study. I'd have to see what he did, along with any prior, professional reserve studies, to comment intelligently.

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
Can someone change a lifespan without replacing the component?
In my opinion, the Board or its representative should absolutely be open to discussing with reserve professionals changing the lifespan. It should not be a one-statement exchange. It should be a discussion, with the reserve professionals explaining their position and the board or its rep explaining its position. Chances are that, after both sides are presented, the reserve professionals will make the change that the board wants, though possibly with an asterisk.

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
  If the wall needs immediate replacement isn't it ethical to present that to the community for a decision? 
Legally, and for good reason, the decision belongs to the Board. In my opinion the board does not have an ethical obligation to take any input whatsoever. To minimize "pushback," the board might want to inform members and invite them to the next board meeting to take input.

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
Unfortunately it will reveal inept financial planning as they knew about this wall since 2010 and the board was critical of the study claiming the components were too high.  This was followed by years of false and misleading commentary dismissive of reserve studies in general.  The studies were called everything from "boilerplate" to a "black box analysis."
On the one hand and in my opinion, this attitude indicates ignorance (and so fear) of spreadsheets, engineering economic studies, and reserve studies, and the fact that reserve study companies very much want to work with boards to get the end-of-life and replacement dollar figures right. The rest should be left to the reserve study company.

On the other hand, in my experience, this attitude is common and based in math illiteracy; laziness; and the fact that directors are volunteers that are often overwhelmed by much else.

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
It is ignoring the law, is it not?
I am looking at the Virginia POA Act Section 55.1-1826:

===§ 55.1-1826. Annual budget; reserves for capital comp==
A. Except to the extent provided in the declaration, the board of directors shall, prior to the commencement of the fiscal year, make available to lot owners either (i) the annual budget of the association or (ii) a summary of such annual budget.

B. Except to the extent otherwise provided in the declaration and unless the declaration imposes more stringent requirements, the board of directors shall:

1. Conduct at least once every five years a study to determine the necessity and amount of reserves required to repair, replace, and restore the capital components as defined in § 55.1-1800;

2. Review the results of that study at least annually to determine if reserves are sufficient; and

3. Make any adjustments the board of directors deems necessary to maintain reserves, as appropriate.

C. To the extent that the reserve study conducted in accordance with this section indicates a need to budget for reserves, the association budget shall include:

1. The current estimated replacement cost, estimated remaining life, and estimated useful life of the capital components as defined in § 55.1-1800;

2. As of the beginning of the fiscal year for which the budget is prepared, the current amount of accumulated cash reserves set aside to repair, replace, or restore capital components and the amount of the expected contribution to the reserve fund for that year;

3. A statement describing the procedures used for estimation and accumulation of cash reserves pursuant to this section; and

4. A statement of the amount of reserves recommended in the study and the amount of current cash for replacement reserves.
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Va POA Act definition of "capital component":
"Capital components" means those items, whether or not a part of the common area, for which the association has the obligation for repair, replacement, or restoration and for which the board of directors determines funding is necessary."

As a matter of law, it appears to me that Va HOA Boards have a lot of control over what goes into the Reserve Study.

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/11/2021 10:15 PM
Sample of his of view on the subject:
"We should be free to replace and repair capital assets when they actually require replacement or repair using our own judgment supplemented by professional advice. 
This is true.

I would keep in mind that rarely does any capital component need replacement or repair exactly when a reserve study says it should. If this were not so, then only one reserve study would be needed, at the very start of life of the HOA.

The reason conventional wisdom is to have a reserve study every five years or so is because infrastructure use, exposure to the elements, aging et cetera can vary a great deal.

In summary, right now the only thing I really do not like is failing to use a professional reserve study company every five years or so, and working closely with the company to ensure the study reflects what the board feels is reasonable as far as remaining lives and replacement costs of capital components.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
All replies here look good. A certified reserve analyst or specialist follows for guidelines about placing compnents on the study. And one of them is items aren't paced int he study if they're likely to last more than 30-40 years (can't remember which). As the common areas age, though, comments would eventually be added. In he case of our 20 year old high rise, we have no drain lines on the study now, but would probably add them in 10 years giving them an estimated remaining life of, say, 20 years.

Yes, the Board can work out changes in estimated useful life as noted in replies.

An engineer should insect the wall and estimate its remaining life, and its estimated life before it needs repairs. In our study we have comments that have an estimated useful life and a separate listing for when reps are levelly to n be needed.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Making more general comments here:

* Reserve studies have two main components: estimating remaining useful life of capital assets and estimating future costs of replacement. They are always educated guesses. The first component is a bit more science-y, while the second can appear to be voodoo since it will be based on things outside of anyone's control (future inflation rates, future interest rates, changes to the producer price index, etc.).

* The good professional companies employee engineers who can evaluate structural issues (as with retaining walls) as well as those who can handle the financial projections.

* Can your board do a good-quality study? This will depend on the board's knowledge and skills and the nature of the association's capital assets. In general, the more "stuff" the association is responsible for, the more specialized knowledge is required.

* There can be good reasons to adjust some of the assumptions made in a professional reserve study. "It's dumb to spend the money" is probably mot a good reason.

* In general, associations in many areas are seeing accelerated aging of components due to more frequent extreme weather events. Physical assets can look OK and not be OK at all.

* A couple years ago I would have said we would be in a low inflation, low interest rate environment for the foreseeable future. Today, we're seeing significant increases in construction costs in many parts of the country, but interest rates aren't rising much.

* The two previous points mean that previous estimates of remaining useful life are probably too optimistic and cost estimates are almost certainly too low.

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." - Yogi Berra

SarahW4 (Virginia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you everyone.  I appreciate these great comments.  I am still wondering if this can be considered a fully legal reserve study as it is based on a spreadsheet of incomplete components prepared by a past treasurer.  When the board reviews the study, it is the inaccurate spreadsheet they are consulting.  No one has read those first two studies where all the information and commentary are compiled.

The entrance wall is very important visually as it is the entrance to our association and it also stabilizes the hillside.   Of the two earlier professional reserve studies in 2010 and one in 2016, the first was really informative and the second less so with some components difficult to identify.  Both reserve specialists assigned the entrance wall a 60 year lifespan, but due to neglect it appears to be expiring earlier.  The treasurer has obtained an estimate to repair it for around $20,000.  Without a professional and unbiased evaluation of the wall we will not know the truth but the treasurer is against that.  

What I have been avoiding saying is that the treasurer has memory problems, among other issues.  The wall and the reserve study are just one of many headaches.  The board is "controlled" and does not understand its fiduciary duty. Perhaps that is not uncommon.  I will take all of your good suggestions and comments and incorporate them into my report to share with others.  I keep hoping for some critical thinking.

SarahW4

Here are a few more statements reflecting the treasurer's opinions on the matter.

4 Oct 2020, Treasurer:  "I am confident that XXX [reserve specialist] does not rewrite these reports from scratch for each individual client.  That is why I called them boilerplate.  Only the financial inputs and results, as well as some of the descriptive language, were modified for our individual XXXX situation and needs.  

4 Oct 2020, Treasurer: "All of the useful information to us could have been presented in a spreadsheet, but that would not have been as impressive for the price as a booklet of multiple pages and graphs."  [The Specialist included photographs and descriptive text.  They also include and great section on preventive maintenance on many components.  The report was not fully read, only the line items were consulted.]

Statement from the 2021 study:  "While it [the study] is unquestionably sufficient from a legal point of view, there is a difference of opinion among Board members, with some believing this analysis is not sufficient from a perspective of technical understanding of the engineering or longevity of our capital components. In the opinion of other Board members, this is an understanding not well demonstrated by the prior professional studies in light of omitted capital assets, actual need to replace some components ahead of indicated timelines, highly conditional language, speculative findings, self-protective caveats, and questionably relevant boilerplate."  [That would be me, and some of that statement is invented. The board decided each time what the study would entail and there was a prior agreement.]

What appeared in the October 2011 minutes was fiction sold to the other board members who did not read the 2010 study first mentioning the retaining wall:  "Further discussion was held regarding the Reserve Fund Plan submitted to Xxxx by the Xxxx Reserve Analysts.  It was agreed that the recommendation of a reserve fund of $300,000 [fully funded at $300,000+ by 2029] was not needed in view of the relatively small number of houses at XXX and the fact we do not have a swimming pool, club house and similar facilities found in larger associations.  Mr. Xxxx presented a spreadsheet on potential costs which will be reviewed and discussed at the next meeting.""The Fund Plan received from Xxxx is primarily a recommendation, but we do need to keep new home buyers fully informed of our financial status and any unusual potential costs." 
[It was a tailored reserve study for our community and referenced none those above items.]
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Some comments on what I think the treasurer is missing:

* "Boilerplate" and "checklist" are not bad things. Using them means that professionals don't have to re-invent the wheel with each new job. They have all of the essential pieces laid out for them, which they can then modify as needed. This saves time (and money) and helps assure they don't miss things. Surgeons and pilots - two professionals who have our lives in their hands - use checklists. That should tell you something.

* Photos and diagrams are very helpful for the more visual learners or those who have trouble absorbing information from pages of text and numbers. They aren't there to pretty up the end product or make it more "impressive" - they're included to aid understanding.

* When I was on the board, I *asked* for spreadsheets. The board can see projected expenses and projected reserve levels by year at a glance. This format is very helpful in determining how long you can tie up your money (in CD ladders, for example) and still be sure to have enough money available to meet needs. It also makes it easy to track actual expenditures and see where things may be getting off track. This item seems particularly odd for someone who is dealing with financial information - they live and breath spreadsheets - you'll have to pry my spreadsheets out of my cold dead hands. Again, professionals use them to aid understanding, not to make things "impressive".

I agree that the OP's treasurer seems to have some mistaken notions about things. Worse, he seems to have bamboozled enough of the other board members to allow his viewpoints to prevail. He may or may not be slipping mentally. If he is, I have no idea how to tackle that one - especially since if he's vaguely aware of it, he may try to hold onto familiar things for dear life and not want to let go of his officer position.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
SarahW4, to me, it sounds like the biggest problem you are facing is how to persuade a majority of your viewpoint. Some call this a "political problem." People who have adopted a certain position often are not willing to change it. Your best chances of success are likely by running for the board yourself with a like-minded majority, and getting rid of the directors who are simply unwise. (Albeit maybe these unwise directors are not a disaster. There are many in HOA-land and condo-land who are happy to live with unwise directors, and what it costs to pay for their mistakes, as long as they themselves do not have to do all the work of serving on the board.)

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Posted By SarahW4 on 05/14/2021 11:24 PM
I am still wondering if this can be considered a fully legal reserve study as it is based on a spreadsheet of incomplete components prepared by a past treasurer.
Please post what part of the Virginia HOA statute you think is maybe being violated. The statute expressly states the Board may determine what the capital components (capital assets), that require funding, are.

I tend to think you need to get away from talking about what's legal here. Because I do not see that you have a leg to stand on.

But you can talk about what's prudent and what conventional wisdom is regarding fiduciary duty as it relates to reserve planning.

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The entrance wall is very important visually as it is the entrance to our association and it also stabilizes the hillside. ... The treasurer has obtained an estimate to repair it for around $20,000.  Without a professional and unbiased evaluation of the wall we will not know the truth but the treasurer is against that.
Did either of the earlier two reports speak about the wall stabilizing the hillside and so having a structural function, requiring involvement of an engineer when it is replaced?  
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4 Oct 2020, Treasurer:  "I am confident that XXX [reserve specialist] does not rewrite these reports from scratch for each individual client.  That is why I called them boilerplate.
My feelings are the same as CathyA3's. In my experience as a formerly licensed professional engineer, this statement reflects a certain amount of naivete.
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4 Oct 2020, Treasurer: "All of the useful information to us could have been presented in a spreadsheet,
The commentary on each component typically reflects engineering (and/or well-seasoned) judgment and appropriately prioritizes safety of property and life, with an eye to keeping total costs reasonable through an appropriate maintenance plan (versus letting everything crumble expeditiously because of no maintenance). Your board needs to understand that reserve study companies typically have licensed PEs on staff overseeing much of the work. It isn't usually rocket science but occasionally, a HOA will have a water supply system, drainage system, retaining wall system, et cetera that does call for the opinion of a well-seasoned, licensed professional familiar with the latest codes, grandfathering under former codes, grounded in safety, et cetera. Why? For liability reasons. A board of volunteer directors needs these professionals, and documentation that they are listening to these professionals, to CTA (cover their a--es).
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but that would not have been as impressive for the price as a booklet of multiple pages and graphs."  [The Specialist included photographs and descriptive text.  They also include and great section on preventive maintenance on many components.  The report was not fully read, only the line items were consulted.]
I agree with you that the text accompanying the line items in the spreadsheet is important and valuable. Yes it's often repeated from one study to another. But it also usually gives the board an extensive education on the condo/HOA's infrastructure.

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Statement from the 2021 study:  "While it [the study] is unquestionably sufficient from a legal point of view,
What are his qualifications to make a judgment on legal sufficiency? My point is that a board is expected to consult qualified professionals on many issues where they are not sure they themselves have the required skill set.

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there is a difference of opinion among Board members, with some believing this analysis is not sufficient from a perspective of technical understanding of the engineering or longevity of our capital components. In the opinion of other Board members, this is an understanding not well demonstrated by the prior professional studies in light of omitted capital assets, actual need to replace some components ahead of indicated timelines, highly conditional language, speculative findings, self-protective caveats, and questionably relevant boilerplate."
The directors questioning the professional study do not understand that a reserve study of necessity cannot be "precise" the way a layperson might want. Would these directors prefer that reserve professionals lie, giving exact numbers for replacement and cost?

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What appeared in the October 2011 minutes was fiction sold to the other board members who did not read the 2010 study first mentioning the retaining wall:  "Further discussion was held regarding the Reserve Fund Plan submitted to Xxxx by the Xxxx Reserve Analysts.  It was agreed that the recommendation of a reserve fund of $300,000 [fully funded at $300,000+ by 2029] was not needed in view of the relatively small number of houses at XXX and the fact we do not have a swimming pool, club house and similar facilities found in larger associations.
First, I think the ignorance of the 2011 board astounds. Second, they were not even smart enough to call up the Reserve Study company and voice their concerns. If the 2011 Board had, I think they would have learned a lot, including the fact that these Reserve Study companies are quite willing to make adjustments to the HOA's/Condo's reserve study per Board input.

But again, I think your biggest problem is political in nature -- how to persuade people to change their minds. It usually cannot be done. There's likely no 'fixing' these people. The only realistic solution is likely replacing the directors who do not see things as you do.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
Posted:
Most, if not all Reserve Study software has boilerplate language. That also holds true for many of the governing documents place on HOA's.

You could take two components of a reserve study, the painting of the pool house and a pool filter. Both have a useful life of 5 years. The pool house would be painted when you feel it needs to be painted, and that could be 3 years of 7 years. A pool filter would be replaced when it dies. That could be 3 years or 10 years.

I happen to maintain reserve studies for clients that have one already in place and have not added any components to the study. Once completed it is between 80 to 150 pages, depending on the number of photos included. Most of the information included is legalese boilerplate language. Then I put a summary together on a spreadsheet for the next ten years which also include investment strategies.

The number of directors who read the Reserve Study from start to finish are the same ones that have read all the governing documents from start to finish. Having the information summarized in a spreadsheet is enormously useful.

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