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JordanL (Illinois)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hi All,

This is my first time posting.

I have recently been elected to a small HOA board (3 units) that has never been run according to bylaws, beyond getting a 67% vote to spend money on common needs.

I would like to put a budget into place, but can find no law stating that it can happen mid-year, as our by-laws state that notice needs to be given before Nov. 1 of the year before the budget takes effect.

How do I determine the legality of passing a budget and subsequent adjustment to dues mid-year? I imagine this would generally be covered by anything that described a change or amendment to budget/dues during mid-year.

Details
-3 units
-$750 a month
-No Current Budget
-Older Building
-Illinois

Thanks!
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
This is my opinion only, I'm not a lawyer.

It seems like you have two options: either continue to violate the bylaws by operating without a budget, or violate them by passing a budget mid-year. If I had to choose, I would opt for the second option since it's the lesser of two evils (and how do you operate without a budget anyway?).

Do I understand correctly that your budgets require homeowner approval, or only homeowner notification? I'm asking because such a provision isn't the norm and it unnecessarily ties a board's hands (*) - it's more common to require homeowner approval for assessments over a certain amount.

(* - I will refrain from delivering my usual spiel about the folly of such provisions, for which I'm sure many of the regulars will be grateful...)

CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Another thing to research: since your association is so small, you might want to check to see if your state laws exempt HOAs below a certain size. It happens occasionally.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Apologies, I need to finish thinking before I hit Enter:

Be sure to address the need for reserves to replace things like the roof which I assume is common elements and HOA responsibility. This is especially important for older buildings that will need such things sooner rather than later.
JordanL (Illinois)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks all!

Re: Operating without a budget: The dues have been the same for years, with the assumption that they will cover all usual common expenses and a bit will be left over for reserves.

Re: Allowing for adequate reserves: The reason we are even having the discussion is that the roof needs to be replaced at tremendous expense through a special, and we have a BM who is actively working to eliminate any spending beyond common utilities due to personal finance issues.

Our goal to get back into compliance with the by-laws to protect the HOA should the HO cease contributing their dues/assessments.
JordanL (Illinois)
Posts: 3
Posted:
My gut says we should just hire a lawyer to walk us through everything.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jordan

Keep in mind that a budget is a best/educated guess at the finances. Money in, money out, and surplus (anything left over).

There are some simple association budgets outlines floating around online or in this chat. Search for some. If you do not find one, I will be glad to send you one.

Budgets have two general categories. Operating and Reserves. Operating is money in and money paid out for on going expenses like utilities every month, etc. Reserves are also a line item that money is put in but it is for future/planned on items like a new roof in 20 years.

Any basic accounting program will track Budgeted to Actual and present a number. As an example. Budgeted out every month for Electricity of $300. Well some months it will be more but some less but Actual will show how much was actually spent versus budgeted. Using the $300 per month ($3600 per year) if at the End of The Year you spent exactly $3600 the Actual will be 100%. If you spent more the Actual might be 120% meaning we spent 20% more than budgeted. If less spent the Actual might be 80% meaning we spent 20% less then budgeted. Over or under says we might want to look closer at this item.

Typically a budget is done for a year and if Actual is tracking close, then the budget is sound. If not then close then an re-evaluation has to be done. This does not mean re-do the budget all the time. As treasurer, I pay a lot more attention as we get close to the end of the year then I do during the year to see if we might need to raise dues next year. We redo our Budget yearly.

Now you touched on raising Income (dues) but how you can do such is typically in your Covenants (Deed Restrictions) and varies quite a bit from association to association so pay attention there.

Where most associations get in trouble is not on a monthly/yearly basis but in the long run as they did not set enough aside (Reserves) and they get whacked with a major expense (new roof, every 25 years) that they did not budget (set money aside in the Reserves) for.

I hope this helps.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By JordanL on 04/13/2021 2:23 PM
My gut says we should just hire a lawyer to walk us through everything.

Jordan

You do not need the advice of a lawyer. An accountant/bookkeeper yes, but not a lawyer.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By JohnC46 on 04/13/2021 2:34 PM
Posted By JordanL on 04/13/2021 2:23 PM
My gut says we should just hire a lawyer to walk us through everything.


Jordan

You do not need the advice of a lawyer. An accountant/bookkeeper yes, but not a lawyer.

ADD ON

Who is collecting the money and paying the bills?

You say there are only 3 of you. Am I correct? Three units at $750 per month each is $27K per year. Does not sound like a large enough budget for an older building in Chicago, but I hope I am wrong.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
With 3 units, I assume you have a 3 member Board.

So if you have one member who is against raising fees, I suppose that you have 2 members who agree with raising fees.

If that's your setup then:
- you have 2/3 of the homeowner votes on your side; and
- you have 2/3 of the Board member votes on your side.

You have control both ways. You can call a special meeting anytime to introduce a Special Assessment to cover anticipated roof costs.

Technically, I don't see a problem with calling a Special Meeting.
Getting the 3rd person to put up the cash - That's the problem.

As others have said, I don't think that spending money with a lawyer is going to do you much good, especially if only 2 of you are putting up the cash.


Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
Posted:
Unless JordanL can answer the following questions, I think his or her HOA/condo needs someone to guide them on the law here.

-- Is this a condominium subject to the Illinois Condominium Act?

-- Is this an HOA governed by the Illinois Common Interest Community Association Act?

-- Is this HOA incorporated?

-- What does "BM" stand for? Board of Managers? Business Manager? Bad Man? Boss Man? Do keep the forum guessing. (Which to me is one sign that the OP needs an attorney.)

-- What percentage of the owners must vote to support a special assessment for the special assessment to be enforceable?

-- Does the vote of each member count the same, or does one member have a greater voting allocation compared to the other members, on account of having a larger unit?

-- If you can attach your HOA/condo's Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation, this might be best. This forum requires that you redact identifying information from such attachments.
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/13/2021 5:32 PM
Unless JordanL can answer the following questions, I think his or her HOA/condo needs someone to guide them on the law here.

-- Is this a condominium subject to the Illinois Condominium Act?

-- Is this an HOA governed by the Illinois Common Interest Community Association Act?

-- Is this HOA incorporated?

-- What does "BM" stand for? Board of Managers? Business Manager? Bad Man? Boss Man? Do keep the forum guessing. (Which to me is one sign that the OP needs an attorney.)

-- What percentage of the owners must vote to support a special assessment for the special assessment to be enforceable?

-- Does the vote of each member count the same, or does one member have a greater voting allocation compared to the other members, on account of having a larger unit?

-- If you can attach your HOA/condo's Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation, this might be best. This forum requires that you redact identifying information from such attachments.

There are only 3 units
MaxB4
Posts: 3,513
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/13/2021 5:32 PM
Unless JordanL can answer the following questions, I think his or her HOA/condo needs someone to guide them on the law here.

-- Is this a condominium subject to the Illinois Condominium Act?

-- Is this an HOA governed by the Illinois Common Interest Community Association Act?

-- Is this HOA incorporated?

-- What does "BM" stand for? Board of Managers? Business Manager? Bad Man? Boss Man? Do keep the forum guessing. (Which to me is one sign that the OP needs an attorney.)

-- What percentage of the owners must vote to support a special assessment for the special assessment to be enforceable?

-- Does the vote of each member count the same, or does one member have a greater voting allocation compared to the other members, on account of having a larger unit?

-- If you can attach your HOA/condo's Bylaws and Articles of Incorporation, this might be best. This forum requires that you redact identifying information from such attachments.

BM is Board Member
AugustinD
Posts: 3,698
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Posted By MaxB4 on 04/13/2021 5:35 PM
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There are only 3 units
Go read the Illinois Condo Act and show me where it says it does not apply to a three-unit association.
MaxB4
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/13/2021 5:38 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 04/13/2021 5:35 PM
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There are only 3 units
Go read the Illinois Condo Act and show me where it says it does not apply to a three-unit association.

Again it's three units. Doesn't matter what act it falls under. If three people can't agree you have serious problems.
AugustinD
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Posted By MaxB4 on 04/13/2021 6:38 PM
Doesn't matter what act it falls under. If three people can't agree you have serious problems.
Nonsense. This tiny HOA may have to place a legal demand on one of the Owners to fork over the dough for a new roof. If it is subject to the Illinois Condo Act, certain steps will be necessary.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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Posted By AugustinD on 04/13/2021 7:05 PM
Posted By MaxB4 on 04/13/2021 6:38 PM
Doesn't matter what act it falls under. If three people can't agree you have serious problems.
Nonsense. This tiny HOA may have to place a legal demand on one of the Owners to fork over the dough for a new roof. If it is subject to the Illinois Condo Act, certain steps will be necessary.

There are some states - don't know if Illinois is one of them - that exempt HOAs under a certain size from some or all provisions of the laws governing community associations.

And, as some others on this website have observed, these tiny HOAs can have more issues than the big ones because of their size. Owners have to get along with each other, can't avoid each other if they don't, and the impact of a single obstructive owner is magnified. There are also no economies of scale like the bigger HOAs enjoy, and there is less room for error. Where a large HOA can simply hire a lawyer to take care of collections or other legal issues, this may be out of reach for a three-person HOA when only two are paying.

Having lived in condos for a good 30 years and been on the boards for almost half of those years, I'm still amazed at the stuff homeowners can argue about. To paraphrase another saying, three homeowners can get along when two of them are absent...
AugustinD
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Posted By CathyA3 on 04/14/2021 4:58 AM

There are some states - don't know if Illinois is one of them - that exempt HOAs under a certain size from some or all provisions of the laws governing community associations.
I agree that it is incumbent on the OP to determine whether his condo/HOA is subject to the Illinois Condo Act et cetera. He or she would have to read the governing docs to see if they maybe expressly state that the condo/HOA is subject to the Illinois Condo Act. But I suspect this is beyond the OP's capability. I tend to think a majority of the board should vote to consult an attorney, appearing at her or his desk with specific questions about their situation. The roof is vital and expensive.

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