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MarcoS2 (Washington)
Posts: 27
Posted:

I'll do my best not to confuse nor convolute folks ...in 1998, our Board circulated a ballot measure to revise our CC&Rs in a few areas ....there are 95 total voting lots (less owners of course as a handful of owners own multiple lots) ....we are a 2/3rds majority rule for community approval of any ballot measure, revision, etc ....2/3rds of 95 = 63 or more yes votes required for approval .....recently, our attorney pulled the 1998 CC&Rs revision, our most current / latest iteration, from the county auditor's office and found, formally filed with the 1998 CC&Rs revision, signatures of only 38 lot owning Yes voters, not 63 or more .....upon counting all page numbers and inquiring with the auditor's office staff, those 38 signatures were all that were filed with the CC&Rs revision in 1998.....our attorney advised the Board, and myself as Architectural Committee for our HOA, based on this, the 1998 CC&Rs revision was not / is not valid nor legally binding for our HOA, thus reverting back to the last formally / legally filed rev of the CC&Rs from 1985 (to note: our HOA was incorporated in 1969) ......now things get tricky, as post our annual meeting that just happened a few weeks ago, our new Secretary located the actual physical ballots from the 1998 CC&Rs revision .....and those ballot Yes votes + signatures of the lot owners tally 49, again, not 63 or more .....so therein lies our questions to you astute folks, same as we posed to our attorney this week who has not got back to us yet, but we are wanting a consensus of opinion on this:

if the physical ballots & signatures from the 1998 CC&Rs revision, in the Board's possession, total 49 Yes voters and the formally filed signatures with the 1998 CC&Rs revision in the county auditor's office total 38 Yes voters (to note: none overlapping or double / mis counted), neither totaling 63 or more stand-alone, can the located 49 physical ballot yes votes & signatures be "added to" the 38 signatures formally filed with the CC&Rs rev in 1998 to equal 87, well over the 63 required? or did the Board in 1998 screw up and fail to file 63 or more yes voting signatures with the CC&Rs revision in our county auditors office?

I'll be digging into our WA State HOA laws and call-outs on this, as well as awaiting word from our attorney, but getting insight & feedback from this forum will help for sure, thanks in advance -
MarcoS2 (Washington)
Posts: 27
Posted:

I'll answer this question now, as I am sure it will be posed: Yes, there were 95 vesting deed home and/or property owners in 1998, all 95 lots had owners and were having annual taxes paid on them ....I checked
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Marco,

You specified that at the time, some owners owned multiple lots.
Do those multiple lot owners make up the difference (as their signature would represent 2 or more lots each)?

In other words, of the 49 yea votes do they represent 63 or more lots?

If you can't prove the changes were properly done, then I agree with the attorney that the amended covenants are unenforceable and it's time for a new vote on the issue.
MarcoS2 (Washington)
Posts: 27
Posted:

yes Tim, in 1998, as in today in 2021, some owners owned / own multiple lots ....BUT "all" lots (Yes or No votes) were accounted for, whether in the ballots that were found after-the-fact or in the signatures that were filed with the formal amendment in the county auditor's office .....no overlap, no double counting ......so we on our Board today on 2021 feel that unless the 63 or more yes votes / signatures were filed with the formal county amendment to our CC&Rs in 1998, it is, in fact, NOT valid, and NOT legally binding .....and our HOA reverts back to the previous valid / legally binding 1985 CC&Rs revision that happened prior to the 1998 revision
MarcoS2 (Washington)
Posts: 27
Posted:

to directly answer your question Tim: "In other words, of the 49 yea votes, do they represent 63 or more lots?" ....NO, those 49 yea votes represent 49 lots, not more, and not 63 or more
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
You will likely need to file a form to with the county to invalidate the amended CC&Rs.

I would also suggest contacting, if possible, those who might have more corporate knowledge on the issue as they may be able to provide more info.
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarcoS2 on 03/17/2021 3:01 PM

....we are a 2/3rds majority rule for community approval of any ballot measure, revision, etc

The CC&Rs of some communities require 2/3 of all owners, and some require only 2/3 of those present (in person or by proxy) at a meeting with a quorum, which can be far fewer needed for approval.

Can you quote the amendment requirement from your CC&Rs?

What do the minutes for the 1998 meeting state?
MarcoS2 (Washington)
Posts: 27
Posted:
thanks Tim -

thanks Jeff - in our community, called our specifically in our CC&Rs, we have to have 2/3rds Yes votes of all "lots", each lot having 1 vote (ie: if you own 1 lot, you get 1 vote, if you own 3 lots, you get 3 votes) ....also called out in our CC&Rs, a "special meeting" needs to be called if a ballot measure secures the 63 or more yes votes (amendment paragraph from our CC&Rs below) ...... and in our By-Laws, a "special meeting" is defined as 24% lot owners present or by proxy to form a quorum but the 63 or more Yes votes have to be secured to move a CC&Rs amendment to being legally & formally filed with the county .....the VERY odd part is the 49 Yes vote ballots located and the 38 Yes vote signatures filed with the 1998 amendment at the county auditor's office are all different lots / owners, as I mentioned, and they do total 87

so my original questions above are still floating unanswered ......are the located 49 ballot Yes votes and 38 signature Yes votes with the county filing COMBINED to reach 63 or more? or do 63 or more Yes voting signatures (lots) have to be filed with the amendment at the county level ? thus making what was filed unenforceable / not legally binding nor valid ....?

Article VII - Amendment
Section 1: The covenants & restrictions of the Declaration shall run with and bind the land until they are terminated by a written instrument approved by the Owners of 2/3rds of the Lots. These CC&Rs may be amended from time to time by a written instrument approved by the Owners of 2/3rds of the Lots. All owners have 1 vote per lot owned. Any such instrument amending the CC&Rs must be signed & acknowledged by the President and Secretary of the Association, and formally recorded with the Island County Auditor's Office. It shall describe the amendment and state that is was approved at a special meeting of the Association by Owners of 2/3rds of the lots.

not sure if the special meeting minutes from 1998 are available, will check with our Secretary on what's archived, she did say meeting minutes are highly inconsistent and for some years, totally missing

MarcoS2 (Washington)
Posts: 27
Posted:

it's like the Board secured 49 lots to vote yes by ballot, then the remaining lots that they did not get ballots back from were talked into signing off as Yes votes when they filed the amendment, but no ballots totaled 63 or more ....?????? and no 63 or more signatures filed with the amendment at the county .......????
JeffT2 (Iowa)
Posts: 880
Posted:
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Posted By MarcoS2 on 03/18/2021 9:59 AM
Article VII - Amendment
Section 1: ... These CC&Rs may be amended from time to time by a written instrument approved by the Owners of 2/3rds of the Lots. All owners have 1 vote per lot owned. Any such instrument amending the CC&Rs must be signed & acknowledged by the President and Secretary of the Association, and formally recorded with the Island County Auditor's Office. It shall describe the amendment and state that is was approved at a special meeting of the Association by Owners of 2/3rds of the lots.

According to this, you don't need to record the owner signatures at the Auditor's office. You just need the instrument (as described) signed by the President and the Secretary. Was the amendment with the signatures of the President and Secretary recorded?

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