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MissJ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I would like to know if anyone has had any experience regarding this question I have. Has anyone here ever repainted their house with it's exact & original paint scheme sans the ARC form/application (successfully & w/o penalties)? Yes I am aware it depends on the HOA contracts (at times, this is not always true if it is not stated specifically anywhere). Please, read my question here carefully as it is very specific.

So, has anyone here been able to repaint their home in this manner without the need for HOA approval?

Thanks,

Joie
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
Yes, I have seen it done in the association in which we reside, I have also seen a similar 'use the same color' process when replacing a roof. The Architectural Guidelines specifically state this may be done.

However, I do not understand why you are apparently reluctant to submit the form? Has something changed, are the colors on your home no longer on the approved list? If that is the case you may create a problem for yourself if you proceed.

There is at least one person who posts here who knows a great deal about Arizona matters, perhaps Dave will chime in.
MissJ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I am not reluctant to fill out the form. I was merely curious if there were folks who did not have to fill out ARC forms or apps of any kind with regards to this topic. I thank you for your time and response.

I just can't figure out why some HOA's make a big deal out of repainting a house the original color scheme and others do not. Perhaps that is my real question.

Thank you to anyone ahead of time for your replies on this narrow topic.

-J
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
I have seen this topic any way you'd like to spin it. Regardless, anyone else's prior experience, thoughts, or opinions really don't do anything for you and your present situation. All that matters for you is what your documents say and what process needs to be followed. So what do they say?

I've noted that you've been specific with "original paint scheme" and not "most recent paint scheme". Not sure if that is intentional or not. Answers may vary if what you're proposing is to repaint IAW the original scheme (from long ago and has perhaps changed since) or the most recent scheme (which may or may not be the original scheme).
BillH10 (Texas)
Posts: 1,217
Posted:
In an association we managed, the Board found, after a couple of unfortunate incidents, that requiring the form to be submitted regardless of the colors to be used ensured there was complete understanding on the part of all concerned as to which colors would be approved.

Requiring the form took all the guess-work out of the process. Many owners in that association were living in an HOA for the first time, others were from other cultures, both groups in general were not familiar with HOA rules and processes.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By ND on 03/10/2021 10:32 AM
I have seen this topic any way you'd like to spin it. Regardless, anyone else's prior experience, thoughts, or opinions really don't do anything for you and your present situation. All that matters for you is what your documents say and what process needs to be followed. So what do they say?

I've noted that you've been specific with "original paint scheme" and not "most recent paint scheme". Not sure if that is intentional or not. Answers may vary if what you're proposing is to repaint IAW the original scheme (from long ago and has perhaps changed since) or the most recent scheme (which may or may not be the original scheme).

Good catch. I am thinking this is the issue.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
Bill offers good advice and experience.

Regardless of what answers you're looking for from the group here . . . if your HOA has a process for requesting permission for an improvement prior to making that improvement, then it should be utilized and not avoided. And if there's any gray area, vagueness, uncertainty . . . then follow teh process anyway and see what happens as a result. Spending time and effort to do paperwork is in my opinion much smarter than spending thousands of dollars on something that will create issues (like an unapproved improvement).

I've never understood people who are willing to spend weeks finding a paint contractor to paint their house for $10K, but being unwilling to spend the 10 minutes needed to fill out a form and make sure their plans are approved IAW their HOA's processes. I'm not saying that's the case here . . . but this is an expensive project that should be pretty cut and dry when it comes to what is/isn't or will/won't be approved.
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
It really depends on the HOA. I re-painted my house twice in the original colors without putting in an application. Annoyingly, the original color was chosen right of the standard color book the builder had, but the HOA's copy of the color book did not have those colors, so I just didn't bother with the form.

Nobody from the HOA ever said anything, possibly because my wife and I were considered "difficult" by some of the board members and they didn't want to raise a stink over a non-issue.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
Posted:
We would require copy of the painter's Certificate of Insurance. To us, no form = no insurance certificate.

I know this doesn't answer the OP's exact question, but I just wanted to mention that there can be other reasons why the form is required.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
As with Bill, our Association has put in writing that owners may reroof with same material/color and repaint the existing approved color on the home.

IF one wants to change the current color of the home, they must receive prior approval.

As ND points out, and you indicate you are aware of, what anyone does in another Association may help your association adopt a policy, but it won't be an excuse to bypass what your Association currently requires.

To answer the question - have I repainted my house with the original colors without prior approval - YES. However, the color of the house never changed from the original.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It's always good to ask permission than forgiveness in a HOA. Fill out the form won't hurt anything. It may even help. We would recommend someone. Also you need to know what type of paint application is allowed. There is Spray, brush, and roll options. Each has it's pro's or con's. Can tell in their appearance as well.

We had someone whom wanted to paint their home. Choose one of the colors on approved list. Even had a few homes painted that color. It was a light "purple" tint. However, when they went to apply it the color was awful. It was NOT the "light" color of purple. It was pretty bright glaring loud purple. Why even if the SAME color? That is because of weathering. Once the paint colored weathered it would have matched. It takes about 1 - 2 years to do that. So we had to reject the color just because it came off pretty loud.

Former HOA President
BenA2 (Texas)
Posts: 1,273
Posted:
I think it's an interesting question and am also curious what other HOA's do. Obviously, your governing documents are what matters in your situation.

Our CC&Rs require approval for alterations to a structure or building. I think that means that replacing something with the same thing in the same color would not require approval. One could argue that if I paint my house a different color, it would be an alteration and I would have to submit plans for approval. In reality, our CC&Rs don't restrict colors so it could not be denied based on color so we don't require plans be submitted.
MissJ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
You said: 'I have seen this topic any way you'd like to spin it.' That is a baseless assumption. You said: 'Regardless, anyone else's prior experience, thoughts, or opinions really don't do anything for you and your present situation.' That is not up to you. My present situation is not related remotely in any way shape or form in the manner you are aggressively insinuating here.

You said:'All that matters for you is what your documents say and what process needs to be followed. So what do they say?' I never stated I had any docs to review re: this topic.

You said: "I've noted that you've been specific with "original paint scheme" and not "most recent paint scheme".' What I have said is exactly what I mean re: the original colors/paint scheme of a house (the paint scheme it original had when it was first built). You said: "Not sure if that is intentional or not.' What a paranoid statement to make. You make a lot of assumptions and are also an aggressive person additionally while making multiple assumptions.

Any comments you make towards me will be ignored since all you are doing is harassing me at this point with baseless assumptions and an unnecessary aggressive demeanor towards me. Your overly aggressive actions towards me do not make you an expert either. It just reveals how paranoid and aggressive you are. I have already stated what my I believed my (real) question was. I have the right to restate my question if I so desire and also restate my topic, which I clearly did. If those changes are not conceivable to you and you feel I have ulterior motives, that is your problem, not mine. Again, a person has the right to change the essence of the topic ass long as they are clear they have done so. I should not be verbally abused for having changed the original topic either. I was able to get the answer to my original question however, I was still left wondering why some HOA's allow folks to repaint their homes sans any extra paper work to fill out and other HOA's that require paperwork for this topic. This is a lingering question and if folks here do not know the answer to that question, I am fine with that. But I will not tolerate being abused merely because people feel like making fictional, paranoid assumptions based on a false story line they have made up on their own.

I have restated my point: ‘I am not reluctant to fill out any forms. I was merely curious if there were folks who did not have to fill out ARC forms or apps of any kind with regards to this topic. I thank you for your time and response.

I just can't figure out why some HOA's make a big deal out of repainting a house the original color scheme and others do not. Perhaps that is my real question.’
It is too challenging for you to understand how simple this question is without creating false assumptions. That is not my issue; it is yours.

I still have this question I restated in the above paragraph. But again, if this group or a few people are going to act abusive, negatively or make false assumptions towards me, then I definitely do not want to engage with people who feel this is acceptable behavior towards anyone.

Bullying and abusive behavior towards people isn't acceptable. I don't care who you are or what topics you feel you are expert on.

If people in this group want to attack me verbally, then that speaks volumes about this forum.
MissJ (Arizona)
Posts: 4
Posted:
BTW the most recent comments I made, were directed to the individual: ND
(PA). I just want to be clear on whom I was responding to.
JohnT38 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,631
Posted:
MissJ, the purpose of this site is for "...community association leaders to share ideas and learn." You don't get to specify that we should "read my question here carefully as it is very specific." and then go on to criticize others for asking any related questions they may have. You don't get to set the conditions on what is asked here and if it bothers you try the HOA forum on reddit or go somewhere else.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
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Posted By MissJ on 03/10/2021 9:27 PM
BTW the most recent comments I made, were directed to the individual: ND
(PA). I just want to be clear on whom I was responding to.

Good morning MissJ. I'm not quite sure how to respond, but since you are now ignoring comments from me, you probably won't read this anyway. My sincere apologies that my responses hurt feelings and made you feel bullied.

You've pegged me as "paranoid and aggressive" . . . methinks that's the pot calling the kettle black.

My initial couple of responses to your question was an attempt to provide succinct and useful information for whatever your actual situation is, because you didn't provide much background or context. I guess I could have politely asked a bunch of questions to clarify, but that wouldn't have changed my answer. What matters most to your situation is what your own HOA's documents tell you to do.

Allow me to take a different approach if you are actually reading this . . .

Your clearly-stated, very specific question was, "Has anyone here ever repainted their house with it's exact & original paint scheme sans the ARC form/application (successfully & w/o penalties)?"

My answer is now, "Yes, in one HOA I was allowed to repaint my house sans ARC form and was not penalized."
But . . . hang on . . . I've got a crazy twist for ya . . .
My answer is also, "No, in one HOA I was not allowed to repaint my house without first completing an ARC form, otherwise I would have been penalized."

I hope my new answers are helpful and do not offend. Have a good day.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
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Posted By MissJ on 03/10/2021 8:04 AM
I would like to know if anyone has had any experience regarding this question I have. Has anyone here ever repainted their house with it's exact & original paint scheme sans the ARC form/application (successfully & w/o penalties)? Yes I am aware it depends on the HOA contracts (at times, this is not always true if it is not stated specifically anywhere). Please, read my question here carefully as it is very specific.

So, has anyone here been able to repaint their home in this manner without the need for HOA approval?

Thanks,

Joie

I am my ARC chairman and any home that is replacing the paint on their home and not changing colors will not need an ARC request and determination. ARC's regulate changes to the community aesthetic and not the maintenance of established norms.

This is my professional opinion after a nearly 15 years of experience.

I do like for homeowners to, at least, let the neighbors know if a large crew is coming on site as it can be startling.

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