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BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
We have a few large oak trees in our Association and one up by the entrance has a large dead branch in it. The branch was broken about 2-3 years ago in the hurricanes and has slowly died. The tree is between two houses and each argues that the other is responsible. Homeowner B says that only 1/3 of the trunk is on their lot while Homeowner A says it is ½ and ½; the trunk is about 3 feet across. The branch has fallen from the center a bit towards Homeowner A.

When Homeowner A bought the property 2½ years ago and she was told by the owners at the time that it was the Association's responsibility to fix it. She came to a board meeting asking that we address it. We explained that the previous owner had lied to her and that it was her responsibility; she has since done nothing.

Branch has shifted within the last few months and is over the sidewalk and but still mostly attached. Our concern is that it will come crashing down on someone or something and that it is a liability. Dead branches are not specifically mentioned but the covenants do address this:

Each lot and all improvements and landscaping thereon, shall at all times be kept and maintained in a safe, clean, wholesome and attractive condition and shall not be allowed to deteriorate, fall into disrepair or become unsafe or unsightly.

We sent the two homeowners a letter asking them to resolve it within 30 days. 30 days would have been yesterday and nothing has been done. At the board meeting a week ago I was asked to get at least two quotes and then include those quotes in the next letter which is to be sterner. The problem is that there was a quote from obtained 2 years ago for $2,500. The most we can fine them for is $1,000 and so that is still cheaper.

Any ideas, any advise?
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Somewhat Confused! If the tree is right on the property line that devides the two homes, then why is the HOA involved? Do the tree limbs overhang the HOA common areas?

I think that you'll see state laws changing here in the near future regarding this type of situation. Note that a recent Virginia supreme court decision may be changing the way the courts look at tree limbs and roots in terms of how they affect neighbors.

From looking at your docs, it's clear that they are obligated to take care of this. Once you fine them... then what's the next step?
RickR3 (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
I agree that it is the HO's responsibility. In our community if the HOA takes care of something like this the bill is charged to the responsible Home Owners. It may take some time to collect, but if the home sells then out of the procides the bill is collected.

Rick
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
BradD2: ..."Each lot and all improvements and landscaping thereon, shall at all times be kept and maintained in a safe, clean, wholesome and attractive condition and shall not be allowed to deteriorate, fall into disrepair or become unsafe or unsightly." Yes, Brad, but who is responsible to do what it says?

- Is the ground the unit sits on considered "common ground", meaning for all residents' use and the responsibility of the association?
- Is the ground surrounding the unit part of the unit owner's property and is deeded to the owner noting appropriate dimensions?

If you don't know the answer to these two questions, your official documents should specify what is common ground vs. what ground is owned, if any, by the owner.

Once you determine who owns the ground the tree sits on, you do have options available to you.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I don't know if this is right, but I always thought that whoever's property the branch is on then it is their responsibility. For example, the the trunk is in owner B's lot, but the branch is in owner A's lot then Owner A has a right to trim the branch on their property and therefore isn't it their branch? IF the branch spans two properties then it is both their responsibilities. If it is on Common Ground then it should be HOA responsibility. Am I dumb or is this how it works?
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
It may depend on state law, but if a tree is on one lot (A) and the branch extends over a property (B), owner (B) can trim back as long as he does not injure/kill the tree, or pass beyond the property line.

When I trimmed trees on my lot, I cut off several branches because they extended onto the neighbor's property. I left several extending over their house because I had not made arrangements to cut them, and it was too late. Cutting them without getting onto his roof would have potentially caused roof damage.

That was several months ago. That owner is selling, and had recently trimmed several overhanging branches to the property line and hauled them away. If I had known, I would have worked with him to cut the branch clean off, and trimmed a few more.

Perhaps working together with a ladder and a bow saw the problem can be easily resolved--with some nice firewood to boot!
Offer it through freecycle as a trim your own and haul away. I got rid of 3 trees completely that way, and several others trimmed for burning by the same person! All for free!
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Brad:

You sent a letter giving 30-days, I would now send a final notice stating that the HOA will remove the tree at the expense of the Owner. Place the fee on their account. If it is hanging over the sidewalk it is now interferring with people and could present a hazard.

If they don't pay pursue like you would any collection debt.
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
These are single family homes where the owner owns and is responsible for the lot. The only common area is the sidewalk that is beside the tree branch.

Working together would be great but you don't understand the issue. There is no structure within 20 feet of the tree and where it connects is probably 40 feet up. The branch is about 20 - 25 long and quite large. I can give you directions if you want to come and climb up the very branch you are going to intending to cut. The board does not want to be responsible for any damage that occurs when it comes down (there is a light pole beside the sidewalk) and often times a car parks near it.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
BradD2: Since ..."These are single family homes where the owner owns and is responsible for the lot.." and the homeowner whose lot the tree trunk sits on is responsible for the dead limb, they should be sent a letter citing from the official documents that they are responsible for the maintenance, note that the limb could cause a liability issue for them personally, not the HOA, and give them so many days/weeks to take care of the problem.

If, after the noted number of time the problem has not been corrected, then you will be forced to contract with a tree trimmer and will present them with the bill for payment. Also cite the clause in the documents which gives the Board the authority to act in matters of maintenance with payment coming from the unit owner. If it comes to this, you would want to be certain that you and/or the tree trimmer can legally 'trespass' on their property to accomplish the deed.

P.S. If the broken/dead branch is due to a previous hurricane, would the owner be covered under their homeowners insurance?

BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
Paul, part of the issue is the trunk is between two lots (as I mentioned in the first post).

Sure, we can do it ourselves but that could take most of our general maintenance budget for the year. Sure, we could bill the homeowner but if they don't pay then we are still out that money until they do. I am hoping to come across something that I had not thought of in this regard.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
BradD2:
..."part of the issue is the trunk is between two lots (as I mentioned in the first post)." The records will reveal who is the owner once you investigate with county records on who owns the ground the tree trunk sits on--that is the one responsible for the tree's maintenance (not the HOA, since you stated the owner owns the ground).

It is unfortunate that the present owner was given 'wrong info' when they purchased their unit, in that the previous owner advised that the broken/dead limb was the association's responsibility. But, ultimately, it was the new owner who should have confirmed the info, and, once they learned it was the owner's responsibility they could have insisted that the previous owner take care of it before both parties went to settlement.

The situation is unfortunate for all, but....buyer beware!
BradD2 (Florida)
Posts: 418
Posted:
I looked at the lots online and they don't note the position of trees. This tree has a trunk about 3 feet or so across so it can quite easily sit on the lot line.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
Maybe a licensed boundary surveyor is needed here, to determine which lot the tree is on, and if both, pro-rate the cost. Maybe the board hires the surveyor and that cost becomes part of the bills.

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