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JakeS (South Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Our project review committee gave verbal go ahead on a project and the homeowners spent $6,000. Then we went back to the homeowner and declined the project telling them that the approval must be in writing. We waited 53 days to tell them in writing after we gave them verbal approval. The project would be very difficult to tear down or remove and we have given many variences and exceptions to numerous other homeowners. The homeowners are asking to see our records of these variances and exceptions and we are not allowing them to. I think our review committee is wrong by trying to cover up what we did for other homeowners. Many of the exceptions were given to HOA board members also, I don't think we even have all the records and some have been altered and backdated to look like they were approved before they were done but they were not. I think we should just be honest and approve the project like we told them we would.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Hope the homeowners lawyer doesn't read this forum.
Ouch!
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
Posted:
Jake,

The HOA cannot be selective in approval or inforcement of a project. It will always come back to bite you, as you now know.
hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
I believe verbal agreements can be legally binding in some cases. In this matter, I assume a judge would consider the verbal approval. It seems the best (and 'right') thing to do is to allow the project.

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MaryN (Virginia)
Posts: 125
Posted:
I sure hope you are able to work all of this out. Selective enforcement is one of several issues that have us involved in an expensive court case. Almost all of our Board have granted permission to each other to violate the CCRs by non enforcement. Other property owners that even request such permission are told no and threatened with all types of legal action. Most have backed down. Trust me if selective enforcement is a problem there are many others. I can't understand why some rogue BODs act like they do. I hope you don't have to join in an expensive legal battle like we have.
MaryN
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
JakeS: If your docs state a specific process on approving a request, and the review committee themselves did not follow it, then you need to admit your mistake, allow the approval as it stands, and learn from your mistakes.

You cannot expect homeowners to follow processes if the higher authority, Board and Committee, are not going to follow them.

You need to abide by your verbal approval, and in moving forward, ensure that the official process, for Board/Committee/Residents alike, is followed.

Many times, a bad experience is the best teacher.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Jake, your ARC members need an education on proper conduct. Usually the CC&Rs provide a response time limit (30-45 days) after receipt of all requested information or else there is approval by default. The ARC members conduct is improper and should be reviewed by the Board of Directors. If the Board chose to take this to Court the HOA would lose and probably have to pay both parties costs.
JakeS (South Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
I appreciate your responses. Does anyone know if the homeowners are entitled to see the CCR approvals for each home in the development? Can we keep side stepping their requests?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Jake:

They are records of the HOA and therefore are available to all members. You should not be sidestepping their requests. It gives the impression of impropriety. Furthermore a verbal can be a binding agreement. As Roger said most CC&R's give a time limit of 30-45 days.

In my opinion the HOA should allow the project, if they don't the homeowners have a very good case and the HOA would be stupid to fight them.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Jake, if your HOA is incorporated I presume your state laws for corporations provide that any member has the right to view these documents. Any decent HOA would allow viewing such documents upon request by a member. Obviously the documents would have to be provided during discovery if your Board choses to go to Court.
DanaA (Florida)
Posts: 117
Posted:
Of course you should approve it now! Have you heard the phrase "poor planning on your part does not constitute a crisis on my part"? I find it amazing (as a new BOD member) that otherwise law abiding citizens, when elected to BODs or appointed to committees , seem to now think that law and order only applies to everyone else - and behave accordingly..... Stick to your guns, give written approval, and everyone will learn from the committee's "verbal" mistake. Good luck.
JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RogerB on 10/24/2007 7:56 AM
Usually the CC&Rs provide a response time limit (30-45 days) after receipt of all requested information or else there is approval by default.

If the CC&Rs do not provide a response time what does a homeowner have to go on?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JC3 on 10/24/2007 10:51 AM

What has your HOA been doing in the past when owners want to make modifications?
The HOA should amend the CC&R or failing to accomplish that it is best to establish a Rule and Regulation on operations related to the Architectural Committee. Homeowners should have a written document which states the policies and procedures to make modifications to their property.
BobM8 (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
[color:blue] With respect to permitting the homeowner to see the previously approved variances; you WILL provide them when the formal discovery process begins. If the homeowner has any corroborating evidence whatsoever that a verbal approval was given, this would constitute, in my humble opinion, a slam dunk for them. Your HOA had better be heading for cover (and looking for a new lawyer if this is the advice it's old one provided) when the lawsuit hits. [/color]
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Jake:

I think your board owes these homeowners an apology. A verbal should never be given, it should always be documented. The review process, according to your documents can be 30, 45, I have even seen 60 days. That should give the board or ARC Committee plenty of time to make their decision.

To give a verbal and these poor Owners spent $6,000.00 on the project, come back 53 days later and take away their verbal is poor policy and leadership on their part.

IMO, the board should send an apology letter and recind their poor decision.

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