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MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
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If any association that has private street lights and have had them replaced, please let me know the process you used to complete the process.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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I live in a town home association, but the lights are provided by the local electric company.
When we added a few, we contacted the electric company. We paid for their install and electric used but the street lights are maintained by the power company (no additional cost to us).

I know of one development that added their own street lights.
Simply a process of looking at options, finding a company and solicit bids.

If adding lights, don't forget to solicit input from the membership. One might or might not want a light near their property.

NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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We are about to replace our streetlights.

Since we are making a 20-25 year decision, our plan is to involve as much of the community as possible in the selection process. We're forming a group to decide the options to put to the community as a whole.

Issues

1. The new lights will change the look of the community. Discussion of functionality vs decorativeness will be interesting.

2. We decided to change out interior signage at the same time. Original lights and signs were not installed at the same time, and some of the lights shine on the backs of signs. Half of mailbox clusters don't have front lighting.

3. We may change the traffic flow of one way streets at the same time.

4. We will add some street lights and move others.

5. We're inviting local police, fire, and EMT to give recommendations.

6. Neighboring community is poorly lit. Don't want want to create an incentive for outside dog walkers to come on in and share the poop.

7. Baffles and diffusers can be used to direct light away from homes. Even so, we're trying to keep most lights in the same location as old ones.

8. Current streetlamps are unmetered. We pay a fixed monthly rate by type of fixture. So that will become part of the determination.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By NpS on 02/28/2021 1:03 AM

5. We're inviting local police, fire, and EMT to give recommendations.


Excellent idea (and action on your part)
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Our streetlights are in everyone's yard with them having the control switch in their home. However, the light posts have to be the same style with same/similar shade. We don't do much about controlling the wattage but if it is too bright we let someone know. It's more of a "matchy matchy" think we regulate.

As far as replacement, the owner puts in a submission to replace. We let them know the place and style available. They will install it and then we reimburse the expenses of the lamp.

Former HOA President
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By MichaelS56 on 02/27/2021 4:20 PM
If any association that has private street lights and have had them replaced, please let me know the process you used to complete the process.

If your lights were installed by your power company, then your is HOA likely paying a fixed rate for both the light fixture maintenance as well as the electric service (It won't be metered).

If so, you can go to your power company's website and find a sales department or other commercial/outdoor lighting contact and call them. If your lights feature identification codes, those would be helpful as the company can pinpoint the pole location in their database.

1. Make a phone call
2. Book an appointment to walk the property and identify the lights to be replaced w/ company.
3. Review the light options and whether you're buying the lights or leasing them
4. Approve the lighting choice w/ your HOA board.
5. Call the power company and authorize the project
6. DOUBLE CHECK with the company billing department that your HOA is not being billed twice once the new lights are installed.
7. Ensure your HOA operations budget reflects the changes monthly expense (or expected expense)

Enjoy your lighting!

The double billing occurs when you pay for the new light lease as well as the light that is now gone. It's hard to claw back misbilled power payments.

It's not a difficult process but a bit tedious and time consuming for the effort.
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Posted By KellyM3 on 02/28/2021 8:48 AM
2. Book an appointment to walk the property and identify the lights to be replaced w/ company.

Utility companies in NC must be a heck of a lot better than in PA.
Just getting to the right person to make an appointment was squirrely. And that was before COVID.
Made an appointment. No one showed. And on and on.

Good suggestions if you have a utility company that works with you. Great suggestion about checking for double billing.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By NpS on 02/28/2021 9:55 AM
Posted By KellyM3 on 02/28/2021 8:48 AM
2. Book an appointment to walk the property and identify the lights to be replaced w/ company.


Utility companies in NC must be a heck of a lot better than in PA.
Just getting to the right person to make an appointment was squirrely. And that was before COVID.
Made an appointment. No one showed. And on and on.

Good suggestions if you have a utility company that works with you. Great suggestion about checking for double billing.

It's the same in NC as PA. The process of getting street lights takes some patience. Down here, they'll show up announced and do their own walkthrough, which isn't terrible if you already have light poles installed.

But it's a pain, I must admit.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Are you just replacing the bulbs or the Poles and all? Almost immediately after the declarant handed over my HOA the then board decided to replace every bulb because they were the faded yellow bulbs with much brighter white lights. Hire a commercial grade electrician that have a bucket truck or cherry picker. You don't want to hire an electrician that has to go out and rent a bucket truck or cherry picker.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
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We ae going to replace everything. This includes the under ground wiring, poles, lights, all of the specs it would take to replace 12 street lights.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By MichaelS56 on 03/01/2021 9:56 AM
We ae going to replace everything. This includes the under ground wiring, poles, lights, all of the specs it would take to replace 12 street lights.

Sounds like you're going to need to hire a commercial general contractor.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Posted By MichaelS56 on 03/01/2021 9:56 AM
We ae going to replace everything. This includes the under ground wiring, poles, lights, all of the specs it would take to replace 12 street lights.

Michael,

Call your local power utility. They will know what needs replacing in terms of wiring, electric code compliance, etc. In fact, whether they serve commercial lighting accounts, I'd still get their opinion on a job of this scope.

You don't want to own those new lights if you can lease them + the utility will know if you really need to replace everything underground, which can save tons of money while remaining safe.

In terms of selecting poles and new lighting fixtures, they'll be happen to sell you the top of the line!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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NPS

Why do you feel the urge/need to replace existing street lights?
NpS (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 4,216
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Reserve study says it's time.

Get rid of bulbs and ballasts. Cost of electricity isn't that expensive, but cost of a man and a bucket truck is.

Improved layout for community. Original lights were an afterthought. Improvements can be made. Going from 12 to 15 lights. Lighting consultant says we should go to 24, but unlikely.

Safety. Need to redo all our signage in coordination with new streetlamps.

Possible reason for delaying a year or two - Everchanging technology. But my sense is that the industry isn't moving that quickly. Still a lot of focus on retrofits rather than replacements.

Sikubali jukumu. Read all posts at your own risk.

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