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NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
A.R.S. 33-1812(A2) states “The absentee ballot shall provide an opportunity to vote for or against each proposed action.”

My HOA's Bylaws permit nominations from the floor.

All homeowners were mailed an absentee ballot. One item on the annual meeting agenda mailed to all homeowners is "nominations/elections."

Does A.R.S. 33-1812(A2) disallow nominations from the floor because every owner already received an absentee ballot?

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
If your HOA bylaws permit nominations from the floor, you have your answer. Not everyone is going to use an absentee ballot, so if you show up, nominations should be allowed.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
What she said.

It does put floor nominees at a disadvantage, and it can limit choice for those who choose to vote absentee, but these consequences should be obvious to those who use these options.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
As others have said, you must have nominations from the floor because your governing documents specify it.

When you send the ballots, provide the same number of write in spaces as there are candidates in addition to the declared candidates. This should cover it.

Are association also has nominations from the floor and add the following statement:

Note: Floor nominations are allowed at the meeting. Therefore, not all nominees will be known until the meeting is held.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpB on 02/16/2021 12:01 AM
A.R.S. 33-1812(A2) states “The absentee ballot shall provide an opportunity to vote for or against each proposed action.”

My HOA's Bylaws permit nominations from the floor.

All homeowners were mailed an absentee ballot. One item on the annual meeting agenda mailed to all homeowners is "nominations/elections."

Does A.R.S. 33-1812(A2) disallow nominations from the floor because every owner already received an absentee ballot?


I say it does not eliminate nominations form the floor. Your docs allow it, so be it.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
This thread is a repeat of NpB's thread from almost exactly one year ago. See https://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/278342/view/topic/Default.aspx
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sometimes, with age there are senior moments with memory.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In our CA HOA, where mail-in absentee ballots also are permitted, no one has nominated anyone from the floor at the annual meeting in 12 years. (We always have enough candidates) If there was such a nominee the person would get maybe three votes.

Why are you asking, NpB? You've submitted your candidacy, right?
NpB (Arizona)
Posts: 605
Posted:
The topic of nominations from the floor (even relating to Arizona) has been discussed before in other threads started by other people on this forum, and there is differing opinion on this forum regarding this topic even after a decade. There are a plethora new users of this forum since that time and many believe reviving and old thread is an etiquette faux pas. This thread is concise about state statute and the Bylaws of my HOA. Based on the responses, I have received, I can conclude that nominations from the floor are permitted.

If all owners are given an opportunity to submit their candidacy before the absentee ballots are printed, what is the purpose of nominations from the floor?
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By NpB on 02/16/2021 9:35 AM
[snippage... ] after a decade. There are a plethora new users of this forum since that time and many believe reviving and old thread is an etiquette faux pas.
Kindly see the thread you yourself started on this exact same topic just one year ago at https://www.hoatalk.com/Forum/tabid/55/forumid/1/postid/278342/view/topic/Default.aspx .
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
As far as I recall, nominations from the floor aren't that controversial. Either your bylaws allow them or they don't. People who are nominated from the floor will be at a disadvantage if the governing docs allow directed proxies or mail-in ballots. Again not particularly controversial, just natural consequences of these provisions.

The one item that I do remember generating some comment is the nominating committee, and some states (Florida?) have outlawed them - I assume because they can be misused to game the election process. My bylaws require a nominating committee and also allow nominations from the floor, so that's what we do.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
In our HOA, NpB, we must offer it because it's in our Bylaws. Our restated ones, will not permit it, but we haven't sent then out for a vote. But why are you so interested to ask about this twice in one year?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By CathyA3 on 02/16/2021 10:55 AM
As far as I recall, nominations from the floor aren't that controversial. Either your bylaws allow them or they don't. People who are nominated from the floor will be at a disadvantage if the governing docs allow directed proxies or mail-in ballots. Again not particularly controversial, just natural consequences of these provisions.

The one item that I do remember generating some comment is the nominating committee, and some states (Florida?) have outlawed them - I assume because they can be misused to game the election process. My bylaws require a nominating committee and also allow nominations from the floor, so that's what we do.

Our Bylaws allow for nominations from the floor. The Proxy we send out prior to the meeting is for Quorum and names the BOD as the Proxy Holder (unless otherwise stipulated) including voting so in reality, the BOD holds the control. Our MC (who runs our election) makes up the final ballot at the Annual Meeting before we hold the election. All that said, we still have to beg our owners to run for the BOD at the Annual Meeting.

Only once in 6 years under owner control have we had more people run then there were open spots, thus the begging. Some of us on the BOD will actively seek/recruit people prior to the meeting to step forward at the meeting and run.

Other than BOD Elections, only once have we ever voted on a document change at the Annual Meeting. It was a Bylaw change reducing Quorum from 50% to 20%. It passed by a close margin.

Our Bylaws call for a Nominating Committee which we totally ignore.

And as I have said before, we have no ankle biters.

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