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AnyaR (Georgia)
Posts: 65
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On January 26 I was voted to be the president of our HOA. I have already met with our HOA lawyer to request the records from the old board. The only thing she did was email to previous president, I was not satisfied with that. It’s already February 11 and I still do not have any records, HOA mailbox key and bank account updated etc. I have emailed the old board requesting all of that, but I’m not getting any response. What can I do to request all the documents? I am meeting with the lawyer again on Tuesday February 16 what can I request from her?
AugustinD
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Posted By AnyaR on 02/11/2021 7:42 AM
On January 26 I was voted to be the president of our HOA. I have already met with our HOA lawyer to request the records from the old board. The only thing she did was email to previous president, I was not satisfied with that. It’s already February 11 and I still do not have any records, HOA mailbox key and bank account updated etc. I have emailed the old board requesting all of that, but I’m not getting any response. What can I do to request all the documents? I am meeting with the lawyer again on Tuesday February 16 what can I request from her?
Following a vote of the board, the board (not you acting on your own) can ask the attorney to send a "letter of demand" (a.k.a. "demand letter"). The latter threatens a lawsuit and possibly more. Judges expect a series of demand letters before a HOA corporation (or anyone) takes another party to court.

Also ask the HOA attorney if the HOA can bill the old board for the cost of any of the HOA attorney's fees.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
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What records do you need and why? You probably don't need everything from the beginning of time - starting with the last five years or so (board meeting minutes, owner list, financial reports, most recent reserve study) would be a good start. Anything older than that should be stored somewhere and you do need to find out where that is.

You didn't say if your community is self-managed or has a property manager - if you have a property manager, you might want to start there. You said "the old board" - was everyone replaced? If so, some of them may also have records, especially the treasurer and secretary. Call all of them and see who has what and then give them a deadline for turning that over to you. By the way, you do know we're still in a pandemic, right? I don't know what the weather's like in your area, but that could also be a reason for the delay.

If you don't get anything, talk to the HOA attorney - and this time, have him or her send a formal letter (certified, return receipt requested). Spell out everything you need, so you can check against what you do get. If nothing happens and you don't get an explanation, the attorney may have to take legal action against the previous board members.

Once you get everything, the next thing you need to do is come up with some sort of formal storage system so you or your successor won't have to run all over the place. It's not appropriate to shove everything in a box and put it in a garage where it can get damaged and forgotten about. Or someone moves away and tosses the documents as junk, or he/she passes away and the family does it because they don't know what it is and it still looks like Junk

You will also need to talk to your association attorney and master insurance company about developing a document retention system to ensure you hang on to the important staff and destroy other things in a secure manner that doesn't reveal personal owner information. As for keys and all that, the policy should address turning these things over to the new administration within a certain amount of time - and what happens if it's not done (which should include legal action, if appropriate).

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AnyaR (Georgia)
Posts: 65
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Thank you for the advice. The old board was only one person. This time we had three people voted in. Two people already quit on me because they thought they were going to get free dues. I am planning on getting all the records, having the meeting to see if anybody else wants to volunteer. At the meeting I’m planning to present on hiring a managing company if no one else wants to be on the board. My other question is what documents should I request?
AugustinD
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-- Is this a condominium?

-- Ask for all records listed in the Georgia Nonprofit Corporation statute that the HOA corporation is required to maintain. See https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-14-corporations-partnerships-and-associations/chapter-3-nonprofit-corporations/article-16-records-and-reports/part-1-records/section-14-3-1601-required-corporate-records

-- Ask for any records expressly mentioned in your covenants as being records of the HOA.

-- Good riddance to the two who wanted compensation (an unlawful waiver of dues) for their volunteer service.

-- Would you please indicate by name the person to whom you are responding? Some of us don't respond unless we are expressly called out.
AugustinD
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AnyaR,

-- From a lot of experience with the law and board vacancies: You should try to fill the vacant board seats as soon as possible. You have the legal right to appoint a (willing) director. Then the two of you vote on a third director. And so on.

-- More at https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-14-corporations-partnerships-and-associations/chapter-3-nonprofit-corporations/article-8-directors-and-officers/part-1-board-of-directors/section-14-3-811-vacancies

-- Any competent HOA attorney would advise you to try as hard as you can to fill the vacant board seats.

-- How many homes are in your HOA? About what is the annual income from assessments? These factors should determine whether the HOA should hire a manager or management company.
AugustinD
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The Georgia Nonprofit Corporation Act's requirements for Board quorum appear here:

https://casetext.com/statute/code-of-georgia/title-14-corporations-partnerships-and-associations/chapter-3-nonprofit-corporations/article-8-directors-and-officers/part-2-meetings-and-action-of-the-board/section-14-3-824-quorum-when-director-deemed-to-assent-to-action

That a one-director Board constitutes a quorum for all Board meetings is entirely possible, even likely, under Georgia law.
AugustinD
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If you cannot parse the statute section at the link I provided, then. (sic)
AnyaR (Georgia)
Posts: 65
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AugustinD It’s condos we have three buildings with 23 units. Yearly budget for each homeowner with dues $1,600. No one else wants to be on the board so that’s way I’m planning on bringing up about hiring a company. No homeowner wants to spend any money on a company or attorney fee so hopefully I can push someone to be on the board.
AugustinD
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Posted By AnyaR on 02/11/2021 9:19 AM
AugustinD It’s condos we have three buildings with 23 units. Yearly budget for each homeowner with dues $1,600. No one else wants to be on the board so that’s way I’m planning on bringing up about hiring a company. No homeowner wants to spend any money on a company or attorney fee so hopefully I can push someone to be on the board.
-- AnyaR, if your Condo's governing docs state that your condo is subject to the Georgia Condo Act, then you should refer to the Condo Act often. See https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-44/chapter-3/article-3/, and watch for amendments of the latter.

Regarding quorum for board meetings, the Georgia Condo Act states the following:

"Unless the condominium instruments or bylaws specify a larger percentage, the presence of persons entitled to cast one-half of the votes of the board of directors shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of any business at any meeting of the board."

As interested, see https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2019/title-44/chapter-3/article-3/section-44-3-103/

If your condo instruments and bylaws are silent on quorum, then you, by yourself, conducting a meeting of the board, qualify as "quorum."

But again, I urge you to appoint at least one other person to the Board. A Board of three would be much better.

Your condo has an annual income a little larger than $36,000 per year. Who is going to keep the books? I recommend soliciting bids from management companies. Do not hire an employee to be manager. The legal protections for employees often cost HOAs a lot. Namely, they are hard to fire, even when incompetent.

AugustinD
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Posted By JohnC77 on 02/11/2021 9:45 AM
So you are, without looking at THEIR governing documents, are offering legal advice on behalf of this forum?
Read the statute section I linked. Note the qualifier regarding governing documents.
AugustinD
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Posted By JohnC77 on 02/11/2021 10:53 AM
which so far it doesn't look that way
-- First, my posts speak of the qualifications, that you wish, repeatedly. Second, I do not support the inductive reasoning you are using (sampling HOA Bylaws from a certain state to make a broad generalization).
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Why don't you and another board member go and knock on their door?
AnyaR (Georgia)
Posts: 65
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Thank you everyone for amazing advice.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Anya

Do not be surprised if there literally are no records. Not every BOD/person keeps good records.

Read you Bylaws as to what the size of your BOD should be. Many will say 3 to 7 members. Go around knocking on doors to recruit. As the only BOD Member you can appoint at least one other and now the two of you can agree on who to appoint as the 3rd and so on. Once a 3rd then 2 of you 3 can appoint the 4th, etc. With a total of 23 owners, I expect a BOD of 3 would be sufficient.

With a budget of $36K I doubt you can afford a management company. Look at hiring a Bookkeeper only.
AugustinD
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Posted By JohnC77 on 02/11/2021 5:06 PM
Can you tell us all

There's no "all" to it. There's only you.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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I need more context here. How could there have been 1 member prior on the HOA? Was this HOA developer owned or is it owner owned? If so, where are you Articles of Incorporation to make you a legal non-profit corporation to collect dues? Where are you current dues being sent to be collected?

Am I missing a bouncing ball here if your sending in dues where do you send them to? How do you have a HOA lawyer for an HOA that has no records? How are you paying the bills?

If you can't get the pre-existing records why not start a new?

Former HOA President
AnyaR (Georgia)
Posts: 65
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Way can’t we jest be nice to one another and help each other? Isn’t there already to much drama and chaos in the world.
AnyaR (Georgia)
Posts: 65
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This message was meant for everybody not anyone specific.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By AnyaR on 02/11/2021 9:33 PM
This message was meant for everybody not anyone specific.

Anya,

Since you're taking over the community leadership post, you will need:

Any active contracts with vendors (landscapers, for example)

You'll need a copy of your operations budget for the current year (if it exists)

Grab a copy of your by-laws and covenants

A list of every property owner and their primary address (including landlords)

A copy of the current bank statements, including the savings account that contains your Reserve Funds.

_________________________

If records are non-existent in terms of utility, call the companies and get the past bill or so.

If there's no budget to be found, at least you know dues are $1,600 per unit per year x 23 units.

If there's no collections records to be found - and delinquent dues cannot be calculated - start fresh on accounts receivable (though this is not technically proper)

If you get all this....absolutely RUN to get a property manager hired. If you can hire a manager without raising dues, it's likely you won't need petitioning of the community to get it done. The manager can then manage the dues payers.

Good Luck!

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