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ChadH3 (Alabama)
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Curious if anyone on here has had experience with foreclosing on empty lots that a builder owns? We have several different builders in our subdivision (15+ year old subdivision that is still adding new phases) and all but one pay the dues for their lots without issue. There's one builder who purchased three lots over three years ago and has not paid HOA dues since. He's built and sold a home on one of the three lots but the other two are still empty.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By ChadH3 on 02/05/2021 11:18 AM
Curious if anyone on here has had experience with foreclosing on empty lots that a builder owns? We have several different builders in our subdivision (15+ year old subdivision that is still adding new phases) and all but one pay the dues for their lots without issue. There's one builder who purchased three lots over three years ago and has not paid HOA dues since. He's built and sold a home on one of the three lots but the other two are still empty.

I do not see this as being any different in foreclosing on anyone behind in dues. Follow your procedures.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Although, a cheaper bet might be to lien the lots, and wait.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 02/05/2021 1:00 PM
Although, a cheaper bet might be to lien the lots, and wait.

I agree.
ChadH3 (Alabama)
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 02/05/2021 1:00 PM
Although, a cheaper bet might be to lien the lots, and wait.
We try to take steps to stay away from sending to collections altogether because of costs. It's beneficial to the HOA and owners. And by and large that has served us very well. Was just curious if anyone has actually gone through the process of foreclosing on a property for their HOA.

It's not an action we would take lightly but at the same time ignoring assessments, letters and collections can't be taken lightly either.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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FYI: Undeveloped lots don't necessarily have to pay HOA dues. That is why if it's the builder that owns them, they don't have to pay dues on them. If they develop them, then HOA dues are owed. So a builder owning empty lots does not equal foreclosing on those "non-paying" lots.

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DouglasK1 (Florida)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/05/2021 3:13 PM
FYI: Undeveloped lots don't necessarily have to pay HOA dues. That is why if it's the builder that owns them, they don't have to pay dues on them. If they develop them, then HOA dues are owed. So a builder owning empty lots does not equal foreclosing on those "non-paying" lots.

Whether assessments are due for undeveloped lots depends on the CCRs and/or other governing docs. A blanket statement that builders don't have to pay is wildly inaccurate.

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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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The words "Not necessarily" seems to indicate a non-sweeping statement...

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ChadH3 (Alabama)
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 02/05/2021 3:13 PM
FYI: Undeveloped lots don't necessarily have to pay HOA dues. That is why if it's the builder that owns them, they don't have to pay dues on them. If they develop them, then HOA dues are owed. So a builder owning empty lots does not equal foreclosing on those "non-paying" lots.
Yeah, all lots in our HOA receive the same annual assessment regardless of whether the lot has been developed or not. In our original documents the declarant didn't have to pay dues on lots he owned in a phase that hadn't sold at least 75% of the lots but we've removed that by amendment in recent years and this builder isn't the declarant anyway so it wouldn't have applied to him regardless.
AugustinD
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Posted By ChadH3 on 02/05/2021 2:35 PM
Was just curious if anyone has actually gone through the process of foreclosing on a property for their HOA.
-- I am helping someone with a foreclosure action, in court as we speak. The basis for the unique, one-home only, assessment, and which is the basis for the foreclosure, is outrageous. I am going to do all I can to make this HOA hurt. It pains me not to be able to share more here.

-- I agree with JohnC46 and GeorgeS21. If I were the Board, and if I thought the assessment were legally valid, I would have simply recorded a lien.

-- How much money are we talking about here?
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By ChadH3 on 02/05/2021 2:35 PM
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 02/05/2021 1:00 PM
Although, a cheaper bet might be to lien the lots, and wait.
We try to take steps to stay away from sending to collections altogether because of costs. It's beneficial to the HOA and owners. And by and large that has served us very well. Was just curious if anyone has actually gone through the process of foreclosing on a property for their HOA.

It's not an action we would take lightly but at the same time ignoring assessments, letters and collections can't be taken lightly either.

Chad,

Our HOA has foreclosed a property, a process done COMPLETELY by lawyers. If the builder owns the property outright, you'd auction the property and either the builder would let you win it by default or they'd come can pay you in full, including all legal expenses. The lot owner will be notified through an "intent to foreclose" letter. You can even pay the county sheriff to deliver it in person.

If the lot is financed by a bank, then your HOA would likely win the auction, which removes the builder from the deed....and which triggers the bank to demand payment on the lot (as the first lienholder). Or the bank would buy the lot and repay the HOA for its losses.

Worst case is the auction goes through, the HOA forecloses the deed, which triggers the bank to demand you pay them off for the loan (if one exists) or they foreclose on the HOA and get their land back, which the bank would then pay your HOA dues.

In terms of the lot where a home has been sold, you'll likely not chase the new homeowner until they don't pay their HOA dues.

By the way, ignoring dues payments, letters and collections is cancer to your HOA. Don't hold back on a builder.

ChadH3 (Alabama)
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Thanks Kelly!

Thankfully the lot that did have a house sold, those dues were paid at closing. Of the two other lots, one has a construction loan on it that was taken out in August (they still haven't broke ground) and the other is owned outright by the builder. The troubling thing is all the other builders in that phase have been actively building and selling houses while this builder and his lots are just sitting dormant.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Lien the lots and wait.

Make sure you are getting interest and that any attorney fees are shifted to the liened property.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Posted By ChadH3 on 02/07/2021 10:36 AM
Thanks Kelly!

Thankfully the lot that did have a house sold, those dues were paid at closing. Of the two other lots, one has a construction loan on it that was taken out in August (they still haven't broke ground) and the other is owned outright by the builder. The troubling thing is all the other builders in that phase have been actively building and selling houses while this builder and his lots are just sitting dormant.

Sometimes, your HOA will chase ghosts as well but the ghosts can't pay the dues or reimburse your legal fees.

In regard to a "lien and wait" strategy, it's not a bad one but a future foreclose of the property, by a company holding a higher lien status will extinguish your lien on many occasions. There isn't a good solution to your problem other than your HOA needs the empty lots controlled by someone who keeps their fiscal responsibilities.

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