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RickB11 (Washington)
Posts: 7
Posted:
My wife and I are currently bringing a lawsuit against our HOA Board members for multiple breeches of the CC&Rs as well as breech of fiduciary duty. The most obvious problem has been a chronic failure to maintain the common areas such as tennis court, walking trail, and private road that runs through the neighborhood. The HOA, established in 1992, is comprised of 15 single family homes and the annual dues of $200 per home was in effect from 1993 to 2020. In 2020, the dues were increased to $300/annually along with a Board refusal to establish a budget to help guide the extent of any dues increase. Presently, the Board consists of 3 people, two of which have been on the Board for the past 20+ years as President and Treasurer. The VP is currently held by the same individual for the past 2 years and the Secretary position was not filled during the last election. There have never been any special assessments. The President has always insisted on performing needed maintenance as DIY in the form of work parties so that the HOA doesn't have to raise the dues. In 2017, I requested in writing an opportunity to review HOA records, finances, insurance policies, etc and was told, in writing, from the President that there were no records to review.

The HOA is required by law to register with the Secretary of State and reviewing the history of these transactions, indicates there have been multiple years (6) where the HOA did not comply, and the Secretary of State's office administratively dissolved the HOA. Currently the HOA has complied with this requirement. During these years of dissolution, I seriously doubt the HOA was insurable. For that matter, I have serious doubts as to whether the HOA was ever insured because policies were never discussed at annual meetings. I understand that not having insurance exposes all of the homeowners to liability.
The end result is this HOA has willfully accepted underfunding as the status quo while allowing the common areas to further deteriorate. The tennis court is unusable due to presence of large cracks and the walking trails have narrowed due to overgrown vegetation and poor footing. There is evidence to suggest that Board elections are not conducted properly as people who want to step up for positive change somehow never make it onto the Board.

All three Board members were named in the suit, however two of them have chosen not to respond to being served with the lawsuit. The President made a cursory, half-hearted brief response to our attorney without providing any supporting documentation. A default judgement is currently being sought.
To date, we have asked that the CC&Rs and State statutes governing HOAs be adhered to, repair and upkeep to the common areas and reconstituting the Board along with legal fees. We recognize a special assessment will likely be required to address much needed repairs but we're not looking to incur unreasonable costs onto our neighbors. We have lived in this HOA for the past 14 years and nothing has changed. Prior attempts to resolve concerns by us and others have largely been ignored. When the lawsuit was initiated a few months ago, a letter went out from my attorney to all of the other homeowners to inform them of our actions and will continue to do so as warranted. We have not received any negative blowback thus far except it has been chilly with the Board members.

Would be interested in your thoughts. I think I have distilled a complicated situation to the most pertinent points.

Rick
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. Are you prepared for that consequence? Most of these issues sound like they could be resolved internally if ran for a board position or got enough members interested in getting on the board. Look inside before go outside for results.

Former HOA President
RickB11 (Washington)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thank you for your quick response. From my short time perusing this discussion site, I see that you have made many similar responses, sort of like cut and paste.
I'm looking for thoughtful, reasoned suggestions for homeowners who have exhausted all other internal remedies and choose to go the litigation route to effect change.

Rick
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By RickB11 on 01/30/2021 4:50 PM
My wife and I are currently bringing a lawsuit against our HOA Board members for multiple bre[a]ches of the CC&Rs as well as bre[a]ch of fiduciary duty. The most obvious problem has been a chronic failure to maintain the common areas such as tennis court, walking trail, and private road that runs through the neighborhood. The HOA, established in 1992, is comprised of 15 single family homes
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The HOA is required by law to register with the Secretary of State and reviewing the history of these transactions, indicates there have been multiple years (6) where the HOA did not comply, and the Secretary of State's office administratively dissolved the HOA. Currently the HOA has complied with this requirement. During these years of dissolution, I seriously doubt the HOA was insurable.
In my experience, administrative dissolution is so minor as to be ignorable. I also doubt that the HOA was not insurable in consequence of the temporary dissolution.

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For that matter, I have serious doubts as to whether the HOA was ever insured because policies were never discussed at annual meetings. I understand that not having insurance exposes all of the homeowners to liability.
What do your governing documents require as far as insurance is concerned?

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The end result is this HOA has willfully accepted underfunding as the status quo
From experience, it is far more likely that the membership did not want the dues increased and accepted any disrepair as the price for same.

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while allowing the common areas to further deteriorate. The tennis court is unusable due to presence of large cracks and the walking trails have narrowed due to overgrown vegetation and poor footing. There is evidence to suggest that Board elections are not conducted properly as people who want to step up for positive change somehow never make it onto the Board.

All three Board members were named in the suit, however two of them have chosen not to respond to being served with the lawsuit. The President made a cursory, half-hearted brief response to our attorney without providing any supporting documentation. A default judgement is currently being sought.
To date, we have asked that the CC&Rs and State statutes governing HOAs be adhered to, repair and upkeep to the common areas and reconstituting the Board along with legal fees.
"Reconstituting the Board," eh? Be careful. It is entirely possible that the judge will place your HOA into receivership. This will be enormously expensive.

In my experience, what you should have done is had the attorney send a demand letter to run a lawful election. Only after the Board refused to run an election should your attorney have filed suit.

Are you willing to serve on the Board? In my experience, any competent HOA attorney would explain that ensuring fair elections; possibly arranging for a recall of the current directors; and then running for the board with a like-minded majority is the quickest way to cause change by far.

I am concerned about the competence of your attorney. Never forget that law firms are businesses, prioritizing their income needs over the needs of their clients.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Do not ignore my advice just because you don't want to hear it. Facts are facts...

Besides these issues your HOA is having is because people would rather complain or threaten lawsuits than get involved in their HOA. Difference are made from the INSIDE not the outside in.

If your HOA doesn't have the money to improve or make changes where do you think it will come from when/if you sue?

Most people here have made changes in their HOA's because they decided to take action from WITHIN it. I know my HOA that is what I did and turned it around to be a successful well run HOA. No lawsuit involved.

Former HOA President
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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For now, I will assume that https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=64.38 is the applicable HOA statute for the OP's HOA.

-- I believe a Recall of the Directors is the quickest route to remedy this situation, possibly with an attorney's letter or two threatening suit if the Board refused to comply with the following.

-- RickB11, what do the HOA's governing documents specify as the quorum requirement for a meeting of the membership?

-- From RCW 64.38.035:
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Association meetings—Notice—Board of directors.
(1) A meeting of the association must be held at least once each year. Special meetings of the association may be called by the president, a majority of the board of directors, or by owners having ten percent of the votes in the association. The association must make available to each owner of record for examination and copying minutes from the previous association meeting not more than sixty days after the meeting. Minutes of the previous association meeting must be approved at the next association meeting in accordance with the association's governing documents.
...
===

-- Hence a mere two homes are all that are needed to call a Special Meeting.

-- From RCW 64.38.040 Quorum for meeting: "Unless the governing documents specify a different percentage, a quorum is present throughout any meeting of the association if the owners to which thirty-four percent of the votes of the association are allocated are present in person or by proxy at the beginning of the meeting."

-- If the governing documents do not specify a quorum number, then a mere six homes is all that is necessary to achieve a quorum.

-- From RCW 64.38.025
Board of directors—Standard of care—Restrictions—Budget—Removal from board.
(5) The owners by a majority vote of the voting power in the association present, in person or by proxy, and entitled to vote at any meeting of the owners at which a quorum is present, may remove any member of the board of directors with or without cause.

-- This means it is possible a mere four homes is all that is needed to remove the directors.

-- A little legwork collecting proxies goes a long way, especially in such a small HOA.

-- RickB11, what are your attorney fees up to at this point? I'd guess between $5000 and $15,000. Which the Owners most likely will end up paying. Judges do not like imposing such costs on volunteer HOA directors.

-- I suggest having your "attorney" offer to drop the suit in exchange for running a Special Meeting where a recall is voted on.
RickB11 (Washington)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Both the CCRs and State law requires HOAs have relevant insurance.

Yes there is an annual meeting and usually there are about 10 homes represented. Minutes have never been recorded, at least for the past 14 years,
and budgets have not been developed or shared with the homeowners as required by the CC&Rs. People do have an opportunity to serve on the Board, and I have expressed interest.
However, if you are a homeowner who wants the Board and HOA to adhere to the CC&Rs and maintain the common areas at the very least, it is unlikely
that you will be voted in. I agree with an earlier post in that several other homeowners are perfectly satisfied to keep the dues the same even though that
means inadequate funding for the required HOA responsibilities. We absolutely do have an apathy problem as far as people willing to step up to lead
changes.

If I thought for one minute, this could be resolved without a lawsuit, I'd gladly pursue other options. But having tried multiple times over the past 14 years
and seeing a nice neighborhood go to hell along with an HOA that egregiously ignores the CCRs and State laws, is just to much to stand by idly.

Rick
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
In summary, by my reading --

-- enough owners are satisfied with the current Board that there is no chance of installing a Board that will comply with state law and the CC&Rs.

-- the only way to get the Board to maintain the common elements and obtain the correct insurance is through a court order.

-- your first post stated, "but we're not looking to incur unreasonable costs onto our neighbors." I think the costs you are going to end up imposing on your neighbors will be seen by them as highly unreasonable. The attorney fees you may end up dumping on your neighbors will be the first unreasonable cost. To say the least, and granted, maybe you know this already: You should expect hostility and a low level, neighborhood war.

-- expect your neighbors to attempt to amend the covenants to get rid of the tennis courts; cease maintenance of the walking trail; and get rid of anything else that is not essential.

-- What percentage of owners is needed to amend the covenants?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Since you are bringing legal action, I would advice you to listen to your attorney.

Personally, I think it is quicker and less expensive to gather support and elect different people to the board. It takes volunteers to do this, perhaps you will be willing to serve.

If it's a board of three, you would need to replace two of them to control the votes.

I wish you luck.

$300 a year sounds like very little to maintain what you describe. However, it would depend on the number of lots paying that amount along with the delinquencies to determine if that is actually enough or not.

Has a reserve study been done to show how much should be set aside for expected maintenance, repairs and replacements?
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
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Posted By RickB11 on 01/30/2021 6:07 PM
...snip...
However, if you are a homeowner who wants the Board and HOA to adhere to the CC&Rs and maintain the common areas at the very least, it is unlikely
that you will be voted in. I agree with an earlier post in that several other homeowners are perfectly satisfied to keep the dues the same even though that
means inadequate funding for the required HOA responsibilities. We absolutely do have an apathy problem as far as people willing to step up to lead
changes.

... snip ...

Rick

Your problem is with your neighbors.

I do agree that it sounds like the board isn't doing a great job, and I would also want to remove and replace them. However, it also sounds like their actions (except for maybe the insurance) reflect "the will of the people". Unfortunately "the people" probably have very unrealistic ideas of the true cost of HOA living.

As Augustin noted, the easiest and cheapest way to fix this - by far - is replacing the board with people who know what they're doing. Be prepared for assessments to rise by a lot. Unfortunately, you do not control your own fate unless you have a number of like-minded neighbors willing to support you and serve on the board along with you.

Suing the HOA, as Melissa correctly states, is suing yourself and your neighbors. It's expensive, it can take forever, the outcome is not guaranteed, and be prepared for assessments to rise. Insurers won't find your HOA terribly attractive and will charge accordingly, if they do business with you at all. In addition, it will be harder to sell homes while a lawsuit is pending, which will also hit people in their pocketbooks.

Homeowners who sue their associations need to be prepared for being the neighborhood pariah. This outcome is likely if you're surrounded by people who prioritize low costs over responsible maintenance of the property. The one exception I've seen is when there is some hot-button issue that has broad agreement among the membership.

Here is where I trot out one of my usual comments: How much do you love your home, and how much will you love it when this is all over? Moving may not be the cheapest solution, but it is easy and the most likely to preserve your sanity.

ChrisE8
Posts: 454
Posted:
A lawsuit in a 15-member HOA? Ouch. There goes any potential friendship with a big chunk of your neighbors.

The administrative dissolution is sloppy by the HOA but that is minor and fixable.

The failures to maintain are perhaps protected by the business judgment rule (unless the failures to maintain are due to specific, documented breaches of governing documents).

I would have either moved or tried to round up support to change the board. A lawsuit will poison relationships in the neighborhood.

However, bad HOAs can be shaped up due to lawsuits so I tend to support you, and if you have a decent lawyer then he or she would not have filed the suit if it lacked some merit.

Suing your HOA in this case is NOT suing yourself. Breaches of fiduciary duty are often not covered by insurance so those directors may have to pay out of pocket if they lose.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Been thinking about this and ... if I really liked my home and broader area, I might, given years of dealing with directors who ignored me, the law, and our governing docs, invest to change it all.

Assuming I had the money, and felt there was a clear path to changing the community I would go for it - especially if there was a chance of there being damages paid individually by the offending directors.

I would, as a part of the process have the attorney notify the insurance company of the situation, including actions taken and to be taken - as well as a log of HOA board responses. You might get some help.

Pulse them HARD ... and see what happens.
LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
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Posted By RickB11 on 01/30/2021 5:09 PM
Thank you for your quick response. From my short time perusing this discussion site, I see that you have made many similar responses, sort of like cut and paste.
I'm looking for thoughtful, reasoned suggestions for homeowners who have exhausted all other internal remedies and choose to go the litigation route to effect change.

Rick

Sorry Rick, That's a cold hard fact. Let me be the first to say, Your attorney is likely to coma back to you and tell you that the HOA is currently uninsured, and YOU will be the one if you want to proceed with litigation will have to fund it all by yourself. Research Harbor Light HOA Lawsui in Las Vegas. Board members neglected to get a swing set fixed and it drastically injured a child.
This verdict could very well cost every homeowner their home if the Plaintiff decides to go that route. https://blog.cvn.com/homeowners-association-hit-with-20m-verdict-over-faulty-swing-set
If this is your primary residence and you haven't done so, go to the county recorders office and Homestead your property IMMEDIATELY!!!

Like Augustine said, get the facts, organize your neighbors and lay out the facts about the community and the legal consequences if they continue to allow these two board members to continue. You could like face your HOA being placed in State Receivership, then expect your dues to go up drastically.

Honestly, get the Secretary of State's investigation division to do the dirty work for you to get these BOD. You and your fellow homeowners can mount a recall petition, elect three new members and get your HOA back on track. This is the the only way other than selling your home.

AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By LetA on 01/31/2021 8:09 AM
Honestly, get the Secretary of State's investigation division to do the dirty work for you to get these BOD.
Do you have a citation for the Washington Secretary of State even having an investigation division? In my experience, the only meaningful power a state's Secretary of State has is to check to see that a HOA corporation has submitted its annual report and any annual fee. If the corporation has not done so, the corporation may be administratively dissolved. At most, the Secretary of State will send a boilerplate letter informing the corporation thusly.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By ChrisE8 on 01/31/2021 6:21 AM
The failures to maintain are perhaps protected by the business judgment rule (unless the failures to maintain are due to specific, documented breaches of governing documents).
-- This is one reason why I think suing to say, get the tennis court maintained (read: replaced) will likely fail. Furthermore, if the tennis court has been un-usable for years, and its unusable condition is obvious to all who have bought into the HOA in the last ten years or so, then the covenant on maintaining it may very well be deemed to be abandoned.

-- If the road is in poor condition but still usable and not really a safety hazard, the OP will have the same problem in court: The HOA's board exercised its judgment to not replace the road.

-- It sounds like the HOA has neither insurance nor an attorney on retainer. For injunctive relief, chances are high that this is in Washington state district court. Chances are high that the HOA corporation is required to use an attorney. The Court may order the two directors to hire an attorney. This will cause the assessment to go up very quickly. Current income from the assessments is $4500. The HOA will have to double or triple the assessment to pay for the HOA attorney. This is money that could be better used to, say, maintain the road better.

-- The Court may simply grant a default judgment, which amounts to an order for the HOA to comply with the governing documents. At some point, if the Court has not already ordered the HOA to retain an attorney, then I expect the two directors will hire an attorney. The attorney will decide which of the covenants are, in his or her opinion, still active; which are abandoned; and the extent to which the HOA must comply with "maintenance" at this point.

-- Will the judge award attorney fees to the OP? For some of the reasons above, and because of the American Rule (for attorney fees), I doubt it.

--Has the OP's attorney laid out all permutations of what could happen? I continue to have concerns about the competence of the OP's attorney.
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
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If the HOA doesn't have insurance, that's a really good fact. A HOA will sometimes drag on a lawsuit, even if it knows it'll lose, because insurance is paying for it. If the HOA has to pay its own legal fees, then it would need to settle unless it has cash available to do so.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By ChrisE8 on 01/31/2021 9:12 AM
If the HOA doesn't have insurance, that's a really good fact. A HOA will sometimes drag on a lawsuit, even if it knows it'll lose, because insurance is paying for it. If the HOA has to pay its own legal fees, then it would need to settle unless it has cash available to do so.
-- Thinking like the above is what I think the OP's attorney should be doing.

-- I tend to agree with ChrisE8 on this point.

-- Of course, the downside of not having insurance is that the members have to pay out of pocket for the HOA attorney.

-- On the third hand, the cost of a HOA attorney may be incentive for the members to do what the OP wants.

-- On the fourth hand [wink], what the OP wants may also cost the members a lot of money.

-- Is this lawsuit a cash cow for the OP's attorney? I think so. Is this going to cost the OP a lot of money? I think so. Is this going to cost all six months to a few years of heartache and stress? I think so.

-- One wonders if the OP's money would be better put towards moving.

-- I think this suit (like nearly all lawsuits) begs for mediation.
AugustinD
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 01/31/2021 8:06 AM

Assuming I had the money, and felt there was a clear path to changing the community I would go for it - especially if there was a chance of there being damages paid individually by the offending directors.
-- Did the "offending directors" personally damage the OP, such that the OP can show concretely and exactly how much the directors' actions cost him personally? I say not a chance.

-- Did the offending directors personally damage the HOA? Maybe. In which case and if Washington law allows, in theory the OP could attempt to bring a derivative suit.

-- The OP's attorney has likely not spoken of a derivative suit. Perhaps Washington statutes do not allow a derivative suit for HOAs. Or perhaps the OP's attorney knows a derivative suit is more expensive and difficult and knows he can only get so much money out of the OP.

-- The only time I have heard of a court ordering volunteer directors to pay out of their own pockets is when a crime was involved. Failing to comply with the covenants is not generally a crime.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Rick

Have you ever served on or run for the BOD?
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/31/2021 9:56 AM
Rick Have you ever served on or run for the BOD?
[snicker]
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Augustin,

I get your points - doesn't mean I would not do as I suggest.

Interesting things turn up in discovery sometimes :-)
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 01/31/2021 10:10 AM
Interesting things turn up in discovery sometimes :-)
Hmm. From recent experience, indeed.

I get the feeling the President and VP may be old codgers who could not tell a covenant from an article of incorporation, and nor could they define either. I expect they have no idea what this lawsuit is asking or what they are supposed to do, if anything, in response to the lawsuit. They have never set up a spreadsheet and battle with internet technology. I bet the President and VP were just trying to be nice to all; keep dues down; and do as the majority wish.
RickB11 (Washington)
Posts: 7
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Thank you for your responses and suggestions. Another dynamic at play here is that about a third of the homeowners are new (within the last year or so) and so they have limited knowledge
of the history of the manner the HOA has operated over the years. Secondly, via our discussions, our attorney is very aware of many of the pitfalls and potential minefields, upsides and downsides
of pursuing this legal action as you all have put forward. His advice has been spot on so far and we've elected to take a measured, targeted and incremental approach to dealing with the current
Board. It's sometimes difficult to convey in a forum such as this, all of the complexities and nuances of HOA situations and relationships that have taken to years to develop. Of course, there are well-meaning posters
who want to be helpful and constructive with suggestions or questions but, understandably have limited knowledge or experience in this particular problem scenario.

I am hopeful there will be opportunities, perhaps during discovery, whereby the HOA Board is forced to disclose its mismanagement and non-compliance with the CC&Rs and state law to
all of the homeowners. My sense is this will force changes in the HOA that will be demanded by the homeowners and they will see the value in maintaining the neighborhood according to
the CC&R (contract) they signed when they bought their property. And, yes, I suspect a special assessment and an increase in annual dues will be necessary to meet the requirements of
our CC&Rs.

Rick
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Rick

I ask again:

Have you ever served on or run for the BOD?
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
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$300 per YEAR or per MONTH?

What is your annual budget?

No wonder things have been neglected!
RickB11 (Washington)
Posts: 7
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Yes I have run for a position on the BOD and I would be happy to serve on the Board to help straighten out the HOA if so elected.

Dues for each home (15) is $300 per year. Paid annually.

Rick
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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That isn't a lot of money to do much with. Have you even priced out the things you are wanting? Take a moment to price out what you want the changes to be. Your HOA should only be hiring contractors licensed and insured. Insurance isn't that cheap. Plus got to consider a HOA is ONLY funded by it's members for it's members. Is everyone willing to take a hit to raise dues to cover all these things including legal expenses?

Former HOA President
RickB11 (Washington)
Posts: 7
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MelissaP

Of course all of your questions are what a reasonable Board would do in running a HOA? In my 14 years of being in this HOA,
there has never been a budget for the homeowners to review, discuss and vote on. You're right....the dues are not enough to
do much of anything except to maybe resurface the roads every 5 or 6 years. The rest of the common areas have been
woefully neglected due to lack of funding and a reluctance by Board members not to raise the dues or levy special assessments.
Along with all of the other provable instances of mismanagement, this is the essence of our complaint and ensuing legal proceedings.

Rick
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
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My view is that you're likely to prevail, at least with respect to something, as long as your lawyer is halfway competent and you're willing to incur the legal fees. The basis for my view is that the HOA probably is run in a shoddy way and has violated at least some governing document and it probably doesn't have the best lawyer, or the funds to spend on one. Thus you will likely have the stronger "army", and to win, it's necessary to simply find a flaw somewhere with respect to something that the HOA has done, and I expect you can do that.

But what's the point? Unless you can show that your property value was harmed due to an illegal action by the HOA (and that's tough to do, as HOA boards, and any boards, are given broad deference by courts), all I see that you could get would be "equitable relief"- forcing the HOA to do something (i.e., no monetary damages). So you'd get the HOA to raise dues and maintain the property, maybe.

I would spend money moving instead of money paying legal fees. You'll incur the permanent hatred of at least some of your neighbors, as a defendant in these kinds of situations will consider you to be the Devil incarnate and will consider himself to be saintly, even as he's reading the court's judgment against him.
AugustinD
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Posted By RickB11 on 01/31/2021 11:18 AM
I am hopeful there will be opportunities, perhaps during discovery, whereby the HOA Board is forced to disclose its mismanagement and non-compliance with the CC&Rs and state law to all of the homeowners.
The mismanagement and non-compliance appears to me to be self-evident.

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My sense is this will force changes in the HOA
Probably.

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that will be demanded by the homeowners and they will see the value in maintaining the neighborhood according to the CC&R (contract) they signed when they bought their property.
Your attorney needs to review the law on abandoned covenants and abandoned bylaws. These new owners bought knowing the tennis court needed major maintenance and more likely, replacement.

I doubt a majority of the homeowners will demand anything other than to do the bare minimum to get out of the lawsuit.

The attorney will make out like a bandit.
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
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AugustinD, I’m not interested in debating this point with you, as you have your view and surely there’s a basis for it from your own experience.

You repeatedly say that lawyers make out ā€œlike a banditā€ and use litigation as a ā€œcash cowā€.

I’ve been through litigation (as a plaintiff) several times, and each time, my counsel repeatedly advised me not to do various things because the legal fees would be large, and my counsel repeatedly steered me to do things that wouldn’t run up a large bill. The lawyers who I’ve used have certainly made it clear that they want reasonable results at the lowest cost in legal fees: they wouldn’t go for various things that would have run up a larger bill, even though I repeatedly stated that money was no object.

So in my view, lawyers don’t want to milk situations; they want results but try to keep legal fees down.

At least the lawyers who I’ve used have been that way. I know that your views differ, and there are slimy lawyers out there, but there are plenty of good ones who don’t want to bill too much.
RickB11 (Washington)
Posts: 7
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ChrisE

I’m glad you contributed these comments. I share the same experience as yours in dealing with our attorney.
He has been fair and mindful of the expense while at the same time pursuing strategies that achieve the ā€œbest
bang for the buckā€. We’ve appreciated that approach.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Yeah I think your wasting the money of the HOA by doing all of this. Instead should be concentrating how to help the HOA not put it in more debt. Debt your complaining about they are already low in funds to do what you want them to do.

A lawyer that ever tells you "I will do whatever you tell me to do" is one that you should NOT have.

Former HOA President
AugustinD
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Posted By ChrisE8 on 01/31/2021 4:50 PM
You repeatedly say that lawyers make out ā€œlike a banditā€ and use litigation as a ā€œcash cowā€.
I do not believe I have generalized thusly. I have praised the actions of certain attorneys, on this forum and offline.

I am practically in the habit of praising the attorneys that work for CathyA3's HOA and KerryL1's HOA.

In some instances, I see enough to opine that an attorney is working for billable hours moreso than the client. I continue to have concerns that this is the situation here.

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