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JesseE (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
I have been a board member in my townhome community since 2016. Currently, I am looking to move to a single family home. While I am waiting for the builder to be ready to write a contract for the lot I want, I happened to do a search for the HOA docs for the 2 communities this builder has in this neighborhood of Davenport, FL. This stems from the fact that apparently they don't add gutters and downspouts to the home. Both the community across the street from this new development (that apparently will share the amenities with the one I am looking at) and the one around the corner use the same management company. The "XXX" Community Management Exterior Alteration Application shows fees for the homeowner to pay when submitting the ARC application - such as $75 for a screen enclosure, $25 for gutters, $75 for fences, etc.

I asked our development's management company if this was typical, as we DO NOT charge a homeowner to submit an ARC. Granted, they are typically just for screen ins, satellite dishes and landscaping. Our manger thought this was unusual, to charge a fee. I thought I would post this here to see if others out there have fees for submitting an ARC?

Thanks for your time.
JohnC77 (California)
Posts: 562
Posted:
I had six or seven HOA's that initially charged a fee for ARC applications. The reason being is the person running the ARC show was being paid, which is not unusual
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am in a similar situation but did not see any extra charges for ARC. However, I am in the process now of asking about a fence and tornado shelter. The HOA is owned by builder across the street and not my builder. They did include gutters as an option for my house as part of the pre-build process. After that, have not been able to make a single change. Not even to move the blinds to another window!

I'd ask before the paperwork is signed about those charges. Maybe it could be related to AFTER building those charges apply?

Former HOA President
CD6 (Texas)
Posts: 34
Posted:
We are a self managed HOA and the ACC (ARC)is a seven person, all-volunteer
committee.
We charge $25.00 for small projects requiring a permit and a new residence
permit is $500.00.
We do tell people to include a fence and any outbuilding on their initial application
and they have one year to do what is on the application, if accepted.
After a year, the fence, outbuilding or other projects will have a $25.00 permit fee.
JesseE (Florida)
Posts: 10
Posted:
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/28/2021 2:19 PM
I am in a similar situation but did not see any extra charges for ARC. However, I am in the process now of asking about a fence and tornado shelter. The HOA is owned by builder across the street and not my builder. They did include gutters as an option for my house as part of the pre-build process. After that, have not been able to make a single change. Not even to move the blinds to another window!

I'd ask before the paperwork is signed about those charges. Maybe it could be related to AFTER building those charges apply?

I have asked my realtor to ask the sales consultant at the builder for a copy of the HOA docs. Yes, those fees (ie $75 if I want to screen in my lani, which I do) are for if I submit an ARC/ARB request once I have closed and taken over the home. When I moved into my current home, I had the back porch screened in and had to fill out an ARB application to get permission to screen it in (no permits needed).

Our community has 90 townhomes and we don't have a separate ARB - one of the board members reviews the request and signs off with the necessary comments for typical items such as sat dish that can be placed on a pole, screen in the lani, and storm door. Unusual items are discussed by the Board. We don't charge our homeowners a fee to submit an ARB request...
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Like it or not, it seems fees are not uncommon thus probably all well and good. Does not mean I like nor agree with, but they seem all well and good.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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I would do as much research on the HOA as you possibly can. Obtain the governing documents, request financial records (balance statements, budget, reserves), etc. What else do they charge for that you don't yet know about? In my state, much of that is required to be made available to prospective homeowners.

Personally, I feel a fee is only warranted if that fee is going to actually pay for something . . . e.g., expertise in architectural review (architect, engineer, etc.) who are paid for that service; possibly a small amount to the management company if it is part of their contract for the admin side of the paperwork; etc.

However, if a fee is only being charged just because it can be . . . as a money-maker for the HOA and/or management company . . . then I personally don't think that is right.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I am starting to think this is how your builder is doing things. Which they can do. Not that I agree with it or like it. Sounds like that is another way the builder is nickel and diming people.

BTW: My builder it was an option to screen in my porch for an extra charge on my overall mortgage. I choose no as I have dogs and a cat. Don't think screening would benefit me as they would tear it up quickly.

So for me the builder is trying to put things in my mortgage payments. Who wants to pay 30 years on a refrigerator? (Another option). Your builder sounds like they are trying to get the money on the backend. I would put it to how your builder does business.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Your dogs and cats tear up screens?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Why would they not? They have claws. Cats climb screens. My dogs scratch at my back door. Already took out a screen on a screen door in the front. So what would make me think they would not tear up a screened in porch? Plus I can add one later NOT in my mortgage.

Former HOA President
JohnC77 (California)
Posts: 562
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 01/30/2021 4:10 PM
I am starting to think this is how your builder is doing things. Which they can do. Not that I agree with it or like it. Sounds like that is another way the builder is nickel and diming people.

BTW: My builder it was an option to screen in my porch for an extra charge on my overall mortgage. I choose no as I have dogs and a cat. Don't think screening would benefit me as they would tear it up quickly.

So for me the builder is trying to put things in my mortgage payments. Who wants to pay 30 years on a refrigerator? (Another option). Your builder sounds like they are trying to get the money on the backend. I would put it to how your builder does business.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about or do you just make things up as you go?

If you had read some CCRs, and this applies to mainly to new detached single family homes, there are clauses in them that state you have 6 months from date of closing to landscape your property. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with a builder adding a screen pouch, room addition and adding the price to your mortgage.

The fee for the ARC can be up to $500.00, maybe more, but the process is done through a paid committee that doesn't answer to a board. They will make sure the right permits are pulls, the right trees planted, they actually do onsite visits to inspect the progress. These developments will have more of a detailed guideline on what and what can't be done on one's property. Making sure trees planted have rots that grow straight down and no sideways as to damage sidewalks and/or sewer lines. What trees are suitable for that region and so forth.

Trust me, it has nothing to do with adding a dime to your mortgage.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Darling JohnC77 bless your heart. NOT every HOA or builder are the same in every state. I stated my situation with my builder of which I did read my documents. The OP's situation is their builder did not include the items that mine has. They do business differently. That is all.

Former HOA President

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