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JakeT (North Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We are an HOA of 25 single-family homes on a single dead-end street.

We have over half of the community using a particular trash vendor. The remaining members are using three other trash providers.

So on trash day, we have four companies providing trash services to our small community, which is 8 different trash trucks between trash and recycling.

We are considering an exclusive agreement with the primary trash vendor for the community. This would save us all money and reduce the amount of trash trucks that are on the street.

What is the right way to make this change?
In my mind, this is a restriction since you would be required to use the trash provider that we choose - so we would need to amend our CC&Rs?

Our covenants require 2/3 votes to amend, which I'm fairly confident that we could get if needed.

Also curious - does anyone else have an exclusive trash vendor?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Personally I do not see the BOD as having the power to dictate what trash company one uses. That said, maybe a "Trash Committee" could work toward cutting a good deal a good deal if the entire association used one vendor.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Does your HOA pay for the trash pick up or do the individuals? If it is the Individuals, then that is another ball game. Not one that you all can't change. It just means the HOA has to adapt it's dues to accommodate for this service. Right now if it is up to the individual then the HOA has not much say.

Now if it is part of the HOA dues, then it is a good idea to combine services to one provider. This will lesson expenses, confusion, and use of the roads. You do need to update your By-laws/HOA CC&R's to reference trash services are covered in the dues. You don't name the vendor. That will change.

So if not covered under your dues, then this will require a vote of the ownership to adapt. Math will have to be done on how to split up the expense amongst all the owners. Plus of course putting this in the documents the HOA provides this service.

I think it would be a good idea for the HOA to use the dues for this service. It was part of ours. We did not use the city's services for trash/recycle. We had dumpsters instead at the end of the roads. So there wasn't individual trash cans to deal with.

Former HOA President
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I'm in a condo community, 74 units on a single street laid out in a circle.

We started out with homeowners setting up their own individual accounts with trash collection companies, and then at homeowners' request we moved trash collection into the monthly assessment and the board selected a single provider.

Advantages: lower per unit cost for the group account vs. individual accounts, and collection limited to one day per week vs. two or more days (which reduces wear and tear on streets and reduces traffic congestion).

Important point: your governing documents will need to allow you to include utilities in assessments (mine did).
JakeT (North Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
That's what we're trying to accomplish. We have already negotiated with a vendor that is willing to cut us a good deal if 100% of the community uses the vendor. We can't central bill to the HOA because some homeowners choose to have recycling and others do not. The vendor is willing to direct bill each homeowner and they can choose if they want recycling, but the deal is contingent on 100% of the community using the vendor.

I don't think the board currently has the authority, because it's not in our CC&R's.
But if we were to amend the CC&R's with the 2/3 of members approving, you don't think that would be enforceable?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It's not a matter of being enforceable. It's a matter of paying for the service. Honestly whether or not one uses the recycle option shouldn't matter. It's part of the full package. It is like if you own a pool but most don't swim. The HOA still owns the pool as a "whole" whether or not you choose to use it.

So if this was my HOA, I'd explain the benefits and cost reduction of integrating the full service including recycle that would benefit all. Look at the cost savings spread across 50 people versus 1. Plus it's all consistent and one pick up day/time.

You will get people whom will not agree. It's still majority rules to vote it in. Once done, then let everyone know the dues increase but also the decrease they may see on their personal side.

My home in the HOA dues were $50 a month. It covered garbage/recycle, pool, clubhouse, insurance, maintenance, and lawncare. My non-HOA house. It is $50 just for lawncare every 2 weeks! I don't even have a pool. Garbage is around $15 a month. So it does benefit all members personally and in a HOA to include this in the dues.

Former HOA President
JakeT (North Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
So the argument is that it’s only enforceable if the HOA handles the billing and includes it in the annual assessment? I’m not sure I see why that would make a difference as it’s still coming out of the homeowners pocket.

Over half of our homeowners do not have recycling. If we went the route where the HOA handles the billing and recycling was mandatory, we would be increasing the cost for many of our homeowners and they would certainly be upset. That defeats the point as to what we are trying to accomplish. We want to require our homeowners to use a specific vendor, which would reduce the cost for everyone and still give them the flexibility to choose the services they want. That seems like the best option to me.

I’m still not sure I understand why we can’t add a clause to our covenants that are specific vendor has to be used for trash. Is there a precedent that you can reference?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Your basically adding Trash/recycling as a HOA common element. Which means that ALL owners/members contribute to it's expense. Just like other shared services/elements your HOA pays for like "lawncare".

The math is simple. If you have 100 members and the expense for trash pick up is $100 a week then it's a $4 a month dues increase. If you pay $20 a week for trash pickup would you NOT want to pay $4 instead? When you buy in a HOA you buy in BULK.

You don't put a vendor's name in a long term document like By-laws/CC&R's. Is that company going to exist 25 - 50 years from now? Plus you have competition also available. A vendor today isn't a vendor tomorrow. You never ever sign a long term contract with any vendor. I won't sign one for more than a year no matter what "discounts" they offer. Every contract needs the ability to negotiate terms.

Former HOA President
JakeT (North Carolina)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I agree with you. And we certainly would not put a vendors name in our CC&Rs. We would use language that would give the board the authority to enter into a service agreement with a trash vendor and that our homeowners would be required to use that vendor.

I want our homeowners to have a choice as to if they want to pay for recycling or not. That’s one of the reasons we don’t want to include it in our annual assessment. The second reason is that we bill assessments annually and many of our homeowners like to pay for trash and/or recycling quarterly.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
Posts: 858
Posted:
We have one company that picks-up both the trash and the recycling. We owners leave for the winter we have a volunteer who will contact the garbage company to inform them that owners are gone and to credit the association account. The garbage pick-up is part of their monthly assessment. Each year we save about $2500.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jake

If you can show owners that using one trash hauler would be cheaper then people are now paying, regardless of how much service they use, it should be a no brainer selecting one hauler.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
And, it is also a no brainer to include both trash pickup and recycling.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
Our trash collector handles both recycling and regular trash for a single fee (that seems to be the norm in my area).

In our case, the per-unit cost for a group account providing both services was so much lower than the individual rates that even those who don't want to pay for recycling may come out ahead. (And it's very likely that these folks were just throwing their recyclables into the regular trash - they didn't produce less waste overall, so cry me a river.)
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
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Posted By JakeT on 01/28/2021 10:33 AM
We are an HOA of 25 single-family homes on a single dead-end street.

We have over half of the community using a particular trash vendor. The remaining members are using three other trash providers.

So on trash day, we have four companies providing trash services to our small community, which is 8 different trash trucks between trash and recycling.

We are considering an exclusive agreement with the primary trash vendor for the community. This would save us all money and reduce the amount of trash trucks that are on the street.

What is the right way to make this change?
In my mind, this is a restriction since you would be required to use the trash provider that we choose - so we would need to amend our CC&Rs?

Our covenants require 2/3 votes to amend, which I'm fairly confident that we could get if needed.

Also curious - does anyone else have an exclusive trash vendor?

Call a special meeting to discuss the trash issue and outline what would be needed for the HOA to raise dues, make trash/recycling a common expense and how it reduces costs.

Reach out to residents who don't attend or are non-resident owners.

If there's a clear and overwhelming sentiment (more than the 67% legally needed), then I'd proceed with attempting the officials rules changes and HOA dues adjustments.

I would then offer every current trash vendor the opportunity to present a closed bid on the service. One vendor is not enough...make it fair. Go for a multi-year deal with an established rate.

However, if you're not clocking 90-95% support for this, I wouldn't pursue it. Having 1/3 of your owners feeling coerced, while legal, is not good business.

LetA (Nevada)
Posts: 2,679
Posted:
You do not need to put the contractors name in the CC&R's Contracts expire. companies go out of business or BOD's change vendors. You simply need to state that "trash collecting" is provided by the association. You really need a lawyer to do this, and your CC&R's will need to be recorded to the deeds of the association and all homeowners.

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