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GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Hi All,

650 single family homes, gated, amenities.

So, was monitoring an exchange on closed community Facebook today, wherein an owner asked how to communicate with "the Board" without the management company reading the email, or letter, or Facebook post. Normal comms to the Board are via a formatted submission to the management company, which includes it on the agenda - assuming it rises to that level.

Several thought this was a good idea, with the last president sounding less certain it would be appropriate.

I pointed out that it was certainly reasonable for someone to communicate an issue via email to the Board members - all in one email, for instance - but, that the Board should then add the topic to the agenda for the next board meeting - if self managed it then goes to the Secretary for agenda - if there is a management company, it would seem the board would turn the topic over to the management company for them to include on the agenda for the next board meeting: this is the same net effect, and the management company would know in either case what the topic or issue is.

I made note there would be a difference between notifying the board privately - and, having an expectation of the board meeting with the owner privately. If this was done (assuming a quorum), it would violate Bylaws and Florida Statute. If a private email exchange occurred between an owner and a board member, or an officer, it should be shared with the Board - if Board business. A board member could also say to the owner, “thanks, we’ll put it on the agenda” - then the process flow is the same.

I further posed the question as to whether the Property Manager would be understanding of this private comms channel, or even it violated the terms of the contract.

I have no idea what sort of issue - whether it relates to poor performance of the management company, or just general topic ...

Thoughts?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
My HOA has one Email address for all communications such as [email protected]. Any Email sent to that address automatically gets distributed to every member of the BOD. The BOD then decides the appropriate action to be taken (including ignoring it) then appoints a BOD Member to follow up and report back to the BOD.

We inform our owners that the only thing they should be taking to the MC about is dues payment issues. All else should be directed to the BOD. Our MC will forward any communication they get from any owner
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
JohnC,

Sounds a bit different than ours - all comms to the board go through the MC for logging, fixing if possible, and then referral to the Board via an agenda item.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 01/26/2021 1:38 PM
JohnC,

Sounds a bit different than ours - all comms to the board go through the MC for logging, fixing if possible, and then referral to the Board via an agenda item.

Not saying one over the other. One has to know how their association works to hire (pay the MC) what is best for them.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
Posts: 6,299
Posted:
I think it would make sense to give homeowners an avenue to communicate issues to the board without the PM being copied. If there are performance issues with the PM, or questions about the PM's honesty, the board may want time to research and address the issue without tipping their hand early.

We had a problematic PM some years back (ignoring the terms of their contract, ignoring board instructions, and the like). At that time we also had no way to contact the board unless we knocked on their doors. After I was elected, we had a board email address the next day and a community website and newsletter within a month (and a new PM company shortly thereafter).

The only issue I see with not auto-forwarding board emails to the PM is that homeowners may use that email address for service requests or other things that need prompt attention. If you don't auto-forward, then someone on the board needs to to deal with emails as they come in.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
The Property Manager exists to serve at the board's pleasure while ensuring good practices that also protect HOA dues payers.

Whether or not your board shares correspondence with the property manager is a matter of board policy in the technical sense but I've had owners reach me directly on issues. However, the "issues" - if adjudication is needed - will pop on the radar of the PM without question.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I agree there should be a way homeowners to communicate with the board separately. The board can always forward issues to the property manager that warrant his/her attention -dealing with the day to day is why they exist. Likewise, issues like rules enforcement should be addressed by the board because they're the ones who will make the final decision (at least before the lawsuits start!)

If the homeowner is reluctant to go to the property manager on an issue that he or she is supposed to address, I think that homeowner should explain why. It may be the two had a misunderstanding that's easy to fix or tempers flared and now people need to cool off - property manager aren't slaves and you don't have a right to treat them or any vendor with disrespect. Now, if there's been a problem with timely follow up that may be something the board will have to address - that's when you need another way to contact the board.

On the other hand, managing expectations is vital. Too often the homeowner gets mad at the property manager who is only doing the board's bidding, which we've seen too many times on this website. The property manager may work for the association, but there are protocols and procedures all homeowners have to follow and it doesn't matter if he is a former board member or has lived in the community 20 years.


If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
For us we had an accountant that picked up the mail/dues in a common mailbox. So they would get the letter and then turn it over to us for the meeting. Sometimes they would read it as most likely put in with the dues payment. If they read it they would tell me about it. They did not take any actions. It was up to us and the board to address the issue. However, they were atleast "informed" about why we made decisions when we had to go to the books.

My rule was that if you had an issue you had these options: Attend a meeting to discuss or send a letter to the board to read OPENLY at the meeting. If you attended or mailed, you had to include a SOLUTION. Otherwise the board will be the one finding that solution for you. It's most likely not going to be the one you want if you don't include it. We are not your problem solver... We are OUR problem solver.

So I say the letters should go to the board unless the PM is contractual obligated to address these issues. The PM works for the HOA, so I'd rather the HOA tell the PM how to handle than other way around.

Former HOA President
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
John,
I must say I LOL when is see your example of a Board email address. I did not check but I bet that gmail address is available because most members do not like the HOAs.

In Ca. we had one email strictly for the board and another for the PM and our board was copied on notes sent to the PM so we knew about issues early. Now in Texas we have 1 email for the board and we ask that HOs copy our PM when needed. Otherwise we see the notes and forward as needed. I get the need to seperate the two groups for some privacy concerns.
BarbaraT1 (Texas)
Posts: 821
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The only issue I see with not auto-forwarding board emails to the PM is that homeowners may use that email address for service requests or other things that need prompt attention. If you don't auto-forward, then someone on the board needs to to deal with emails as they come in.


This would be my concern, too.

In the past, I've had homeowners report irrigation leaks, poop in the pool and other time sensitive issues on the community Facebook page rather than contact me directly. If you're going to give people multiple ways to contact, someone needs to monitor all those methods.

At my current property, the board as a Member at Large officer who acts as a liaison between the board and the community. His contact info is widely available, he communicates with the rest of the board and includes me on correspondence when appropriate.

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