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LisL (Florida)
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Hi, I need help with a house I closed recently. This is Brand New Community with the Builder Still building houses. Currently only 5 houses have closed and me being the 2nd house that closed we ran into an Issue with the HOA fees. In our Sales Contract that we signed more than 1 year ago our HOA Fee stated that it is $50 per month. 2 months later after we closed we received a Statement from HOA managed currently by a management company stating that I owe them money and that our HOA fee is Now $120 a month.

Some homeowners will be closing soon, and Even on their Sales Contract it Still stated $600 / year = $50 / month.

I tried to retain an Attorney but due to that I am the only 1 "closed" that is willing to go the Legal Route, I can Only send the HOA a Letter which will cost me $1000.

I have already tried to deal with this matter informally with the HOA through email and All they told me is that the HOA Fee was Already Established with the Builder before building and they won't Adjust.

Please Help!!
LisL (Florida)
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I am in Florida
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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You've already answered your own question in seeking an attorney. However, there are attorneys who will write threat letters for much less than $1,000. Shop around.

You may also contact your local and state Board of Realtors and the state Real Estate Commission. Errors like this very much fall within their level of interest, especially if agents are pushing incorrect information as part of the sale.

Good Luck.
AugustinD
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Posted By LisL on 01/18/2021 12:14 PM
Hi, I need help with a house I closed recently. This is Brand New Community with the Builder Still building houses. Currently only 5 houses have closed and me being the 2nd house that closed we ran into an Issue with the HOA fees. In our Sales Contract that we signed more than 1 year ago our HOA Fee stated that it is $50 per month. 2 months later after we closed we received a Statement from HOA managed currently by a management company stating that I owe them money and that our HOA fee is Now $120 a month.

Some homeowners will be closing soon, and Even on their Sales Contract it Still stated $600 / year = $50 / month.

I tried to retain an Attorney but due to that I am the only 1 "closed" that is willing to go the Legal Route, I can Only send the HOA a Letter which will cost me $1000.

I have already tried to deal with this matter informally with the HOA through email and All they told me is that the HOA Fee was Already Established with the Builder before building and they won't Adjust.

Please Help!!
-- For what period of time after closing do you think it is reasonable not to raise the assessment?

-- Florida Statute 720 does not limit how much the HOA can raise the assessment.

-- I think the most damages you might be able to collect are $70 per month.

-- Be aware that, as long as the developer controls the board, under the law you are stuck with the possibility of what may seem a bit tyrannical. Remember, when you bought into this HOA, you agreed to what the covenants said. The covenants likely say the HOA may increase the assessment without limit.
AugustinD
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Posted By AugustinD on 01/18/2021 12:23 PM

-- I think the most damages you might be able to collect are $70 per month.
Correction. I think the most damages the OP could collect are $70 total, period, for exactly the difference between the advertised assessment and the first month's assessment.

Also I imagine the sales contract has language indicating the $50 per month is the "current" assessment. Meaning the HOA has the right to raise the assessment the next month.
AugustinD
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Posted By KellyM3 on 01/18/2021 12:23 PM
You've already answered your own question in seeking an attorney. However, there are attorneys who will write threat letters for much less than $1,000. Shop around.
Where I am, it's a minimum of about $3000, because for a subject like this, the attorneys want to review the governing documents in full.
LisL (Florida)
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No, there was Nothing stating only $50 per month under current assessment. There is something that says "subject to change" on the Sales Contract.

In the Covenance Disclosure there it says can charge up to $500 per year with Notifications, in which we have never been Notified.

New homeowners that closed 3 weeks ago were still closing with the $600 per year HOA fees.

Now that I brought up this Issue, the Builder is emailing homeonwers that have Not closed yet - "Take it or Leave it" and they will get Full Refund of the deposit back.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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As Augustin said:

Be aware that, as long as the developer controls the board, under the law you are stuck with the possibility of what may seem a bit tyrannical. Remember, when you bought into this HOA, you agreed to what the covenants said. The covenants likely say the HOA may increase the assessment without limit.
LisL (Florida)
Posts: 9
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In the Covenants it says that Assessment Shall not increase by more than $100 per year.
LisL (Florida)
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That is what the Attorney told me, he needs to bill me hours for reviewing my contracts and then draft the letter. Reviewing contracts will be less than 1 hour but drafting a letter will be 2 - 3 hours of billing.
AugustinD
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Posted By LisL on 01/18/2021 12:36 PM
In the Covenance Disclosure there it says can charge up to $500 per year with Notifications, in which we have never been Notified.
-- If you want to learn more, please post what the covenants themselves say on the subject of the assessment and increasing the assessment.

-- I think I can see how you think the advertising was false. But I am not convinced that the buyers have actually read all of the contract (the covenants) to which they agreed. The typical new person posting here has not. The typical new person here often does not know what a "covenant" is.
AugustinD
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Posted By LisL on 01/18/2021 12:57 PM
In the Covenants it says that Assessment Shall not increase by more than $100 per year.
If this is so, then have the attorney to whom you talked confirm this and write the letter.

It looks like you could get the letter done for under $1000, as KellyM3 indicated.
LisL (Florida)
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Under "Convenant for Assessments":

Annual General Assessment - Each Owner of a Lot by acceptance of a deed or conveyance thereof, whether of not it shall be so expressed in such deed or other conveyance, shall be deemed to covenant and agree to pay to the Association an Annual General Assessment of $500 per fiscal year.

Initiation Assessment - The Board of Directors not increase by more than $100 during any calendar year unless the Owners approve a greater increase by majority vote.
LisL (Florida)
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Maybe, but Homeowners that are closing soon wants to join me and Not have to Agree to a $120 / month HOA Fee if presented at their Closing.

By having these Homeowners join me I would not be paying the Full $1000 by myself and then benefitted by others that are not paying due to if I win, the whole community will all benefit from it.

Unfortunately, other Homeowners that have closed is not willing to join me and want to try to Fight this thru another Homeowner communicating thru email and HOA has not responded to those emails. HOA will continue to ignore and in the meantime we are billed for $120 a month which is more than 140% increase from $50 a month.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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LisL

I understand what you are seeing/quoting but while under developer control, the developer usually has the power to vote in changes they want. If you read your docs closer you will see they probably (most likely) having that voting control. All bets are off when the developer is in control.

Welcome to the world of HOA's,
AugustinD
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Posted By JohnC46 on 01/18/2021 1:20 PM
I understand what you are seeing/quoting but while under developer control, the developer usually has the power to vote in changes they want. If you read your docs closer you will see they probably (most likely) having that voting control. All bets are off when the developer is in control.
-- JohnC46 homed in on the real problem: The covenants usually give the developer the right to amend the covenants at will, within reason.

-- LisL, please quote the section on amending the covenants.

-- To me, this means all the developer has to do is follow the procedure for amending. Until the developer amends, you members are due back any amount you paid that is in excess of the present covenants.

-- I think you need an attorney. But then the question is will the cost of the attorney justify whatever refund you might be owed.

-- I would not waste time trying to recruit others. Decision-making by committee for something like this is nearly always a failure. Why? Because if you cannot get the others to agree unanimously, then some will back out. Getting all to agree is a chore.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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I am fixing to face the same situation soon myself. Building a new house in a HOA. My contact also states $600 per year and like a $150 fee at closing due. The HOA is not controlled by my builder but another one building next door. So far there are no plans for any amenities but for detention ponds for common property. I've check out other properties by this developer and they don't have amenities either just ponds for rain water collection.

However, I am also not going into this with my eyes closed. Had them give me a copy of the rules immediately after the deposit. Have read through it and know it's full of issues. Ones that will have to be addressed at a later time once the developer is out of the picture. Right now, I just have to go with what the developer decides.

I am a little surprise at the $150 a month but my documents say the $150 till it reaches $600 paid per year. Not knowing the time frame your HOA considers a "year". It is hard to tell when you will reach that $600 annual fee.

Hope they don't do that to me after closing. However, I know it could. No reason to get that upset about it as it does nothing but subject everyone it paying higher dues to cover the expense of dealing with your lawyer/legal expenses.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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LisL,

The developer is being a bully, but, given the difference of $70 per month equals $840 per year, you would not even be able to hire an attorney for the one interaction.

Now, if you are mad enough - and willing to spend the money, following a variety of notifications to various Florida governmental agencies, grab a mean, competent attorney and do battle.
LisL (Florida)
Posts: 9
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Our concern is that since there is No regulation - HOA can decide without notifying us that the next quarter will now be $180 a month and so on if we don't set this Straight.

I don't mind paying for 1 letter if this Issue will be fixed, but I'm afraid that it will not just be solved with 1 letter, following mediation which the attorney will be billing me another 4-6 hours until we reach an agreement.
AugustinD
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Posted By LisL on 01/18/2021 4:00 PM
Our concern is that since there is No regulation
I am not convinced there is "no regulation." The covenants should give more information about amending. Amending usually requires recording with the County. If the developer is not following this procedure, you may have a good case.

Search this FS 720 site for the word "amend," and see if the information looks useful:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0720/0720.html

Post exactly what your governing docs say about amending the Declaration (and especially amendments by the developer), and you might get more help here.

LisL (Florida)
Posts: 9
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Thank you - I will research more on this.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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Please note that FL law says that the new owner is responsible for the unpaid assessments of the old owner.
MichaelS56 (Minnesota)
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Sitting up in cold Minnesota, I sure do notice a lot of posts from Florida that are filled with frustration.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MichaelS56 on 01/19/2021 6:05 AM
Sitting up in cold Minnesota, I sure do notice a lot of posts from Florida that are filled with frustration.

I say that is mainly do to people buying into an association for the first time and they have no idea how they operate. Plenty of starving real estate agents and developers that will tell you anything you want to hear. Additionally FL is well known for "shady" real estate deals.

In our association the 2nd and later buyers give us the most problems. When under development and someone signed a Letter of Intent to buy, they had 30 days to settle all the details before signing a purchase agreement. When they signed the Letter of Intent, the Declarant gave them a copy of the Covenants, Bylaws, and R&R's and made them initial each page. The 2nd and later buyers had real estate agents and sellers telling them things that were not correct. I called out several real estate agents about their MLS listing being wrong. Not a one of them changed it. Some buyers claimed they never got a copy of the docs.

The main association complainers are first time buyers. Not blaming them, but.....
AugustinD
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Posted By MichaelS56 on 01/19/2021 6:05 AM
Sitting up in cold Minnesota, I sure do notice a lot of posts from Florida that are filled with frustration.
Ha, funny.

A favorite Uncle of mine used to say that the heat in the South messes people up.

Then again decades ago, as I sat on a dock off one of the Florida Keys in late December, enjoying a balmy breeze; dangling my feet in the ocean; and a week's retreat before immersing myself in a several month job assignment in snowy, upstate New York; I knew (and know) Florida has much to recommend it.

Else JohnC46 said it well.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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Keep in mind JohnC, those people are NOT responsible for informing or providing the documents to the buyers. Only ones responsible are the sellers (NOT every state) or themselves. It is your responsibility to be "informed" in many states. The documents are PUBLIC because of this.

I was smart enough to ask for the HOA documents up front. The representative on site gave me a copy. They are really jacked up and they don't even control the HOA. It's another developer. Which doesn't have a good reputation. I plan on doing a bit more digging before my closing in a few months.

My documents also reference the same $600 a year amount and initial $150 at closing. I don't think that will be a long term amount in the end. However, not going to fight over it. It's the developer in control. I do what they say until they turn over to the owners.

Former HOA President
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
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Michael,

Many of those frustrated, are in Florida but previously were in Minnesota - they moved to Florida for obvious reasons.
JohnC77 (California)
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Falling off chair laughing my a$s off.

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