Dissolve HOA Is easy before its legal

Know the states laws. Review the business license for your HOA in your states business license online records. At start up of a HOA. This is most critical time to kill your HOA before it starts or you have to wait 20 yrs for another chance at killing it, then you miss that chance its 25 yrs after that. A developer must establish the ccrs and other bylaws within that time frame and hand off the last property to the HOA and turn it over to the homeowners association. If the developer misses that deadline of 5 yrs and at that time the developer must own still 1 lot. Miss any deadline you can fight to kill the HoA before it even starts. Ask me how I got our section out of their HOA, or just re read this lols. Basically our section is in whats called a HOA PURGATORY, probably only one like it lols. Were in one but its in a legal zombie state. That other HOA can't touch our section even after their developer made agreements with the city to maintain the street and retention pond. They tried using that as jusfication trying to force us into their HOA, I just pointed out their HOA voluntary accepted it before doing due diligence research first. See HOAs can be fun and exciting at times.

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Just don't buy a home in an HOA (or COA). Easy peasy, no expense, no legal wrangling, no drama.

(Hint: the HOA is "legal" as soon as the establishing documents are recorded, often well before any lots or homes are sold.)

I agree in particular with CathyA3.

If you don't like HOAs, don't buy a property in one, or move away.

What HOA?? Oh that one in the other sections you must mean. Costs them alot each try lols. A

I do believe the OP is pranking us for the LOLs.

Nope, my community HOA license 25 year is approaching this coming year, they can legally disband it without permissions. Or its renewed for another 25 yrs. I just wanna stir their pot. It drives them nuts were not in it. It only enforces non payment of dues. Our community section only looks bad because 3 owners on a few houses has refugees living in them lols violating q family rules lols, its a mess here lols. These peoples only mows their yards only when ordered too, then they send a kid that barely reaches the lawnmower handles out to mow it. I just wait till their done then jump on my riding mower and do my yard and that hoe own fields theybdont mow but pays someone to do it which they don't. Lols its a mess lols

This would depend on what the HOA specific "docs" say. In our case there is no mention of any time specific contract thus no specific window to do things within. Specifics vary from doc to doc and state to state. One size (say OH) does not fit all (say SC) nor may they fit two different HOA's in OH.

Additionally, your posts seem a bit incoherent and difficult to read. Even if you are correct, many will not bother to take the time to read and comment. You need to collect your thoughts and proofread before posting. We can read through spelling errors but if it takes 2nd read (above uts instead it is), many will not do. Also, punctuation can be your friend. While I myself am guilty of run-on sentences, your are much more guilty.

Oops. I meant to direct this to TimT6 and not Covid StevenD6*.

* "Covid StevenD6" meant in the same sense as "Typhoid Mary."

Fact is cars and bylaws in it was created by second developer after HOA was terminated by original developer while he was still in control, that 2nd developer just assumed too much

Okay on a laptop and can see what's typed now lols

States business license for our HOA flaws: 1. wrong county listed as it's location. 2. Failures to Maintain agent and other warnings. 3. Canceled failure to file/reinstate existence. 4. FAILURE TO FILE SUCH STATEMENT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THIS LETTER WILL RESULT IN CANCELLATION OF THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATIONS. this was filed just prior to the 5 yrs statues to start the HOA. original developer just canceled it and resigned and state status is on file as Canceled. meaning the articles of incorporation as i take it. original developer canceled it right on the last day possible, so new guy that screwed him over couldn't do anything with his HOA, i take it.

New developer 2 months after ours ceased to exist according to state laws tried to implement it only to discover all sorts of issues lol and angry home owners. were just told were in purgatory lols, nobody can change anything all we can do is voluntary join that other HOA in our community but all has to agree and long as i live it will never happen.

Past 17 we have mowed their field behind us, that's about 4 acres of land because of wetlands near it to keep critters out and gives us an illusion our section has a huge back yard. plus i maintain the pond area also so kids can fish and explore the wildlife around it, according to original plans it was to have a picnic table and play area that never happened nor being cared for, then the wet lands owned by that HOA has trees falling into our yards because its unable to maintain proper flow of water ways down stream. but another nice neighbor is on the ball lols to get that HOA to come out and and fix it, after the EPA deals with them, for not maintaining the retention pond and, stream and wet lands around it. their HOA going to find a new hidden gem of equal payments of stuff they never expected to ever happen to a HOA in unexpected costly issues were talking huge flooding issues to our property's and foundations. one has 3 feet of water every flood. yes city aware were not in a HOA that was news to them too lol. the city took back ownership of the community property only for that other HOA to assume it thinking were in their HOA and or knew we were not... lol. win win for city's when HOAs owns lands they would of maintained. but we suspect that the HOA developer or a builder not wanting to pay a land fill money lol... clogged up that stream just before it entered their lots on purpose dumping landfill along it from construction of their new lots. according to the complainer about the stream its millions to repair the damages and restore the wet lands, going to be interesting how the property management company going to recoup it all, i suspect the state main HOA has contingency assets to use for fundings that or those Homeowners going to learn a lesson being in a HOA. and equal payment clause in them for major issues in unexpected costs.

why that HOA didn't place a Pool or rec center for the HOA there is obvious it's only out to make money in liens. it has no street lights only the entrance streets has lights on them, a hard curved street has cars parking on both sides of the street only giving room for 1 car to pass. which reminds me lol to complain to the city about that too, run up more of their costs. they took down the citys signs not to park on one side of the streets during snow emergency's too and that's a huge fine there lol.

but as you see the state canceled our Articles of Incorporation. so were in limbo just over a recorded document nobody can do anything with and lots of resentment of the HOA.

Oh okay I must be ignorant then, I managed with my unique form of grammer to beat 2 different attempts to be sent to a HOA penal colony here. Lols you got me I have no clue how a HOA works. I am totally ignorant but I guess by sheer ignorance and my weak will to resist from rolling over and letting others dictate to me what I can or can not do to my own property inside or out, yet I do because citys has a thing called code violations or zoning restrictions which are restrictive enough. Can you imagine secret meetings of a few clowns changing say outside lights for the whole community just for laughs or prove a point that do as a few says or lifes gets hotter, one year you have to have white exterior fixtures or face fines, fines turns into liens, leins turns into lost houses, lost houses funds gets pocketed by those that makes a living off stubborn home owners lols. Then next year those clowns decides all exterior light fixtures needs to be rainbow for gay pride year, just because it's fun to control the masses. Hysrororically has been known to happen, but its typically happens at American flag hating hoas. because some clowns uses signage clause to hide their hatred for what the flag represents.

As for hate, maybe some here are just confused how hate works, hate isn't about when someone just disagrees with your opinions. I don't hate HOAs I just disagree with some forms of it, I seen neighborhoods go in terrible looking properties because nobody bothers having individualism self pride, instead they just do the minimum in upkeep of their property's where nobody can show individualism expressions of self pride. My community hoa is terrible, it offers nothing but leins on houses. It enforce nothing but pay up or we seize your homes., niw those whom gets Leinster probably hates HOAs now lols. Me I enjoy it. To know some in it are driven nuts knowing as they drive by our section were causing them grief because of what they tried doing, one idiot taking it upon themselves to aquire property to maintain yet unwittingly didn't do due diligence first to bother finding out our HOA was canceled, they assumed that just because its recorded deed restriction its a up and running HOA. Funny you would think HOA law firms could just enforce deed restrictions and go to any recorders offices and do that to any neighborhood they wanted to. Thank God for checks and balances and overly completed laws, times it causes so much confusion some guys with bad grammer, beats them.

Whacky stuff, Tim.

Lols I use a book titled fighting hoa's for dummys

That hoa uses a yellow book with title, starting up a hoa that thinks they know it all without knowing it all for dummys.

If I ever write such a book its only 1 page on it. Know a hoa from cradle to grave, you dont need to know how it functions you just only need to know how its legal or when its not by just reading your states laws. I discovered by looking at my states businesses licenses by chance then googling big words and cross referencing state court cases on Key word ages in them. A hoa i never knew are considered a business, there its explains your hoa life cycles, there and only there is everyones golden ticket to disbanding their hoa.

Hoa business licenses are on a 25 year life line, if you do not do anything before that time it automatically renews itself for another 25 yrs. You can only stop a hoa during a limited window of opportunity anyone tells you other wise may have motives who knows lols.

Badly thought out deed restrictions misplaced deed restrictions and badly thought out businesses license saved my section from Being in their hoa. Starting up your hoa has to follow states laws. Just think if I believed those lawyers stating were in their hoa, wouldn't I just take them for their words, and if I did, id own Brooklyn bridges everywhere being a good sheepish follower.

Here's a question each lot has to have a certain square footage of a house built on it, each lot then has voting rights...thats fair right 500 houses 500 lots 500 votes. Say you need 85% of eligible voters to stop your plan. Now you being a educated President you calmly inform your surfs they lost, due to a technicality because there's lots that legally can't vote because their community properties and has no voting rights so they missed their % mark to stop you. Simple over looked scenarios can be used as ploys. Now those lots have chalked up as having voting rights but only by those running the show, wonder how many hoa's uses lots like that to vote with thats not fair right.

So when a hoa has that simple over site where someone with bad grammar could figure out hiw to abuse and game the system figured it out, some educated board members sure had to had and nobody fact checks which lots legally can not vote but some body's voting with them. Because their playing 500 lots 500 votes but 40 lots are common properties and board members voting with them. Man the scams going on and nobody notices it. But guys with bad grammers lols

Huh? Anyone yet followed any of this yet? Can't blame inability to type on a phone. It has autocorrect to nauseum. Is there a thought here or am I missing it? Just troll along you got the wrong audience here. Go talk to the lawyers. Wish you luck they can understand a word you say.

Thank you "Tim Translates". LOL! Have a Happy Holidays!!!

In brief original developer filed a deed restriction naming our HOA, in 1999. Dec2003 first section was completed we bought the last house in it. Then new developer bought out the rest of the lands for sections 2 through 7, before the 1st developer could. 2nd developer then finished 2nd section and attempted to start handing over HOA to the community.

Somewhere between 1999 and 2004, the 1st developer decided to cancel his HOA, we suspect because a huge home building company dirty tactics of taking the rest of the lands and used his plans from his original ideal for his community.

17 days after the 5 yr HOA business expired after several warnings by the state, the new developer hired a property management company and tried collecting dues.

Then it started building sections 3 and 4. Us in section 1 never been told or signed any acknowledgment, I noticed documents errors, in the 1st developers recorded deed that was filed in with the purchase of the first section lands from a farmer, it was not filed separately.

Then I noticed the states business license had serious errors also, like wrong city and county and 2nd developer did not assume being the agent and the 1st developer pulled the HOA business license after state threatened to cancel it for lack of an agent and approaching that first 5 year time line.

We just assumed the 1st developer refused to hand over his HOA, after the 2nd guy pretty much bought the rest of his lots out from under him.

As original cc&r, specifically states the 1st developer has to own 1 lot, before he can start transferring the HOA over to his community.

The critical issues were, HOA was not formed properly by law and procedures, due diligence was not preformed by 2nd developer that the original HOA start up was going accordingly to law. No rectifying was done to bring in the 1st section into compliance before the first 5 yrs. By just making proper notices and correcting all lots in 1st section.

So basically we got lucky getting out of a HOA nobody informed us about except the 2nd developer when he assumed a ithout bothering to check first, he must of just saw the first developers cc&rs in recorders office, obtained our house was built by the 2nd developer in section 1, ours was the last lot to been sold, the original cc&r never mentioned other sections in it. Some how 2nd developer tried to start it after his 1st section was completed.

All we did was state that there were numerous defects in the original document of the cc&r was vague it was just a boiler plated language and not recorded properly, 2nd major issue not 1vsingle lot signed and acknowledgement they were aware of a deed restriction and joining HOA or future one. 3rd state canceled the Governing documents of the 1st developer after he waited till last day he could to file a response and in it he just quit lol.

I just wonder how many other HOAs are like this, that nobody fact checked to make sure it was a legal HOA and they all just agreed and joined it not knowing it was never legal but they didn't follow the laws and could had not bothered to join a rouge HOA.

What was funny was our house was built by 2nd developer. He didn't even mentioned a HOA. We only found out about it once we got our first HOA dues and in a 2 years arrears of it. I just did googling in Ohio, how a HOA is formed and steps it must complete and statues of limitation applys. And our section pointed out this collection was attempted civil violations, I just called it attempted wire fraud, racketeering, fraud, attempted title fraud, cause not 1 lot had a hoa included in the title search and many other allegations.

After 2 months the property management after due diligence agreed on our concerns. Then a few years later the HOA new management company came at us again, this time using a deceptive last words that was high lighted and under lined, By signing this document you are agreeing to voluntarily join our HOA. Lol this was after basically threatening us with civil prosecution. Again we just sent this new company the same documents along with that HOAs first try at our section. So yaw its confusing. But simple same time.

There are laws a builder must follow, I tell others research your HOA best place is in your recorders office that has CC&Rs there and any changes to them over the years. 2nd place is with your states business licenses. The 2nd builder has to assume control of the business license, which never happened in our case.

And as states are beginning to crack down on HOA abuses, they are now allowing you to get out of them, if you can prove serious defects in them and A ILLEGAL HOA is a sure firecway to disband it, if its was never legal in first place and no lotowned has reviewed their HOAs for serious legal ddfects.