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SandraH14 (Minnesota)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Do you think it is discrimination or a privacy issue to list who is a first degree family member and who is a renter in the directory?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
A HOA list consists of MEMBERSHIP only. A residence list is a completely different animal. The HOA typically doesn't keep up with whom lives in the home just the owner of the home. Renters are NOT HOA members. If your not a member why would the HOA have your information?

Now not every HOA is the same. It's just I don't see this information being released to HOA membership as a need. It is more of a want. As a member I have every right to know whom my fellow members are. Whether or not they actually live in the home isn't. That I can find out by tax records whom the owner is by public records. Residents/renters are not public information.

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SandraH14 (Minnesota)
Posts: 12
Posted:
A homeowner had a request, to the board, that we identify renters and first degree family occupants in directory. Board agreed,,,but now having second thoughts because of privacy issue. Our gov docs state first degree family can occupy unit. We allow 4 rentals and have obtained consent from them to be listed in directory.
Your thoughts?

i.e. John Doe xxx.xxx.xxxx
123 Main Street
email........
FIRST DEGREE FAMILY
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
-- According to case law, a board should create nothing, including a directory, unless authority for such creation expressly exists in the governing documents.

-- I expect Minnesota's nonprofit corporation act requires maintaining a membership list and, upon request, providing this list to Owners. But I can guarantee that such a requirement will not also require the specification of everyone else living in the home.

-- Tell this forum more about why you think a directory is required to be maintained by the HOA, and you might get more intelligent feedback.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
SandraH10, is this a condominium?

-- It turns out that Minnesota's Nonprofit Corporation Act does not require a membership list to be made available to those members who request it. See https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/317A.461

-- Nor do I see a requirement to maintain a list of members in the Minnesota Condo Act. See https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/515A.3-116

-- The Minnesota Common Interest yada Act says the HOA has to keep adequate records of its membership, but does not specify what this means. Since it is silent, and since nationwide the custom is to make available lists of the members with addresses, this is all I would do.

-- In my experience, anything more on the membership list is indeed an invasion of privacy and as importantly, not supported by the governing documents as an activity the Board or HOA should undertake.
SandraH14 (Minnesota)
Posts: 12
Posted:
We were incorporated in 1979 and self-managed since inception. Directory has been pubished for years and years.
Homeowners can request a resident list..no one has, to my knowledge. They like our directory....this lists the owners and renters names,etc.
Here's the issue:

we have 66 units and the directory may list i.e. 75 names. We list the owner's contact info and if a first degree family member is occupying unit, we list his/her name but do not identify if first degree family.

The questions is: Why can't we identify who is the first degree family member occupying unit? (THis was asked by a homeowner)
Isn't it really the board's decision to identify or should the board get homeowners approval and/or first degree family member approval to list as "first degree family"

Would you like to be "labeled" or classified as first degree family member occupying unit or would you not care?
I can not find any state or federal law for help.....

SandraH14 (Minnesota)
Posts: 12
Posted:
We operate under MN Statute 317A Nonprofit -
We have not opted into MN 515B.

SandraH14 (Minnesota)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Yes, we do not have to submit a membership list/roster to homeowners.
That is one reason we do not want to join MN Statue 515B...very restrictive....maybe ok if you are managed....
but a self-managed volunteer hoa is challenging....
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SandraH14 on 12/19/2020 1:46 PM
Directory has been pubished for years and years.
But publishing the directory is nothing that any Minnesota statute or your governing documents require.

Your question is not a HOA question.

Homeowners can request a resident list..no one has, to my knowledge. They like our directory....this lists the owners and renters names,etc.
Here's the issue:

we have 66 units and the directory may list i.e. 75 names. We list the owner's contact info and if a first degree family member is occupying unit, we list his/her name but do not identify if first degree family.
Quote:

The questions is: Why can't we identify who is the first degree family member occupying unit?
Since the HOA is already acting outside its scope of lawful authority by publishing a directory, I do not see the difference between publishing other things outside the scope of the HOA's lawful authority.
Quote:

(THis was asked by a homeowner) Isn't it really the board's decision to identify or should...
When you cite the section of your governing documents that states the board has the power to make such a decision, then there might be a question here that actually relevant to the purpose of the forum.

You're in the camp of, "The Board is the lawful head of the corporation, therefore it can make up what duties it does and does not have," correct?

Quote:
I can not find any state or federal law for help.....
When one makes up a duty for the Board that does not exist in state or federal law, the above happens.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
I think that no one should be listed in a resident directory without their permission.

The Board must release a membership list to members who request it.
The Board should not be releasing anything about nonmembers to anyone without that individuals permission.

I understand the desire for resident directories.
However, no one has control what another individual would do with that info once it is published.

In my opinion, if someone wants to know their neighbor, go knock on the door and say hi.

GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
In this era of privacy concerns, I would support only a directory as developed from open source tax records - ie, if it isn't in the tax record of the property, it doesn't get listed.

I've lived in neighborhoods with great directories - leather bound when someone moves in if the old one wasn't delivered to them at closing. Nice listings for social, kids, etc. All probably a bad idea, now.

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