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NancyE7 (Texas)
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We have our main home and wanting to build a guest/servants house for my in-laws. Our HOA approved the plan but want us to state it is not a permanent residence. Says we can only have 1 main residence and 1 guest/servants house per deed restrictions. If they state we can have a guest/servants house would that not be a permanent house if we had servants? We are in Texas and have plenty of room for both houses. Won't make sense to build it if they can't live there.

I guess my question is if the same family members live there would the guest house fall under the main Single family home. Probably have to consult a lawyer but thought I would get some free advice first.

Thanks for any advice and/or opinions.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
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I'm thinking that they don't want you to be renting it out.

My suggestion: Plan was approved. Built it.

Verify that their concern is the potential renting of the house.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
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The wording is a bit confusing or needs a bit more definition/clarity. What it sounds like is that the home would NOT be considered part of the HOA. You can not sell the guest house as a separate residence. The guest house would NOT be a HOA member. So whomever moves in will be "guest of HOA member" but never a member.

Also you need to consult your insurance company before you start building. There may be restrictions on location. It may not be allowed to be an attached structure. I've seen some guest/mother-in-law suites share a garage. Insurance may not approve or will increase if connected. It may be just building the structure unattached a few feet.

Your parents or guest will just not be HOA members nor have the rights of a HOA member in that guest house. They will always be your guest.

Former HOA President
NancyE7 (Texas)
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Some times the thoughts in my head do not come out as clearly when I write

House is detached from the main house and sits back about 100ft due to topography of land.

They told us no one can live permanently in the guest house because the lot is designated as single family. In-laws can visit but not live there permanently. They view it as 2 main houses if the guest house has permanent residents which is against the CCR's.

They want me to state the guest house will not be used as a permanent residence. I can't say because it will be used in that way Even if I say that now, you never know what the future holds

I'm just totally confused and about ready to just sale my house and find another place.
AugustinD
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Posted By NancyE7 on 12/06/2020 9:08 AM
They told us no one can live permanently in the guest house because the lot is designated as single family. In-laws can visit but not live there permanently. They view it as 2 main houses if the guest house has permanent residents which is against the CCR's.
The courts have treated the issue of "single family" residences a lot, in HOAs and outside of HOAs. If the CC&Rs say as you seem to indicate, then I think the board is in its rights.

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They want me to state the guest house will not be used as a permanent residence. I can't say because it will be used in that way Even if I say that now, you never know what the future holds
Are you saying that, in the future, you may just choose to use the guest house as a permanent residence for in-laws or 'the help'? If so, then so far, it appears to me that you are violating the terms of the contract to which you agreed when you bought the home.

Do you understand that the courts view covenants as contractual terms? Do you understand that the covenants are recorded with the county mainly so that they are "public notice" to all who buy the property? Do you understand that Texas statutes in all likelihood require sellers to disclose the existence of covenants to buyers? The purpose of all this notice and disclosure is so that buyers sign a house purchase agreement with eyes wide open (at least according to the courts).
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
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Your HOA won't allow two permanent homes on one lot that would allow for you to sell that guest house and essentially "sub-divide" your property.

You need to vouch that that your guest house is just that....and will not be built to be sold separately from your current home and property. A very reasonable request.

No, your in-laws' quarters are not general rental property and by nature of the relationship and stage of life are, in fact, temporary guests.
CathyA3 (Ohio)
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It may be local zoning laws that prohibit or regulate auxiliary dwelling units, thus the requirement that no one live in the unit permanently (https://accessorydwellings.org/). These ADUs are becoming popular as a solution to housing shortages, but they do require a change to zoning laws.

From an HOA's perspective, a person living in a home one lot is a member of the HOA, and the number of members is almost certainly specified in the community's governing documents. Subdividing one lot or adding another member to the HOA would require amending the governing docs, which would require approval of the membership (at least a majority voting in favor). It's not something one homeowner could decide to do on their own. Which is why the HOA is making the OP jump through some hoops.
ChrisE8
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Posted By NancyE7 on 12/05/2020 10:43 PM

We have our main home and wanting to build a guest/servants house for my in-laws. Our HOA approved the plan but want us to state it is not a permanent residence. Says we can only have 1 main residence and 1 guest/servants house per deed restrictions. If they state we can have a guest/servants house would that not be a permanent house if we had servants? We are in Texas and have plenty of room for both houses. Won't make sense to build it if they can't live there.

I guess my question is if the same family members live there would the guest house fall under the main Single family home. Probably have to consult a lawyer but thought I would get some free advice first.

Thanks for any advice and/or opinions.

I don't quite understand but the way to avoid a future problem is to be clear with the HOA on what you plan to do, and have the HOA clearly approve it.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Nancy

You might try and make it clear the guest house cannot be sold separately, nor rented, nor lived in by a non-family member(s). If I was on the BOD, I could go along with this especially if registered with your deed as a deed restriction thus binding when you sell.
GenoS (Florida)
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Posted By ChrisE8 on 12/06/2020 11:51 AM
I don't quite understand but the way to avoid a future problem is to be clear with the HOA on what you plan to do, and have the HOA clearly approve it.

What you plan to do is important but what's more important is what the next owner may want to do. I think it's something that should be purused as a deed restriction going forward.
ChrisE8
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Posted By GenoS on 12/06/2020 12:48 PM
Posted By ChrisE8 on 12/06/2020 11:51 AM
I don't quite understand but the way to avoid a future problem is to be clear with the HOA on what you plan to do, and have the HOA clearly approve it.

What you plan to do is important but what's more important is what the next owner may want to do. I think it's something that should be purused as a deed restriction going forward.

You mean a note on the deed specifically allowing the proposed use? If a HOA wanted to add a restriction onto my deed, limiting use of my property, I'd be mad.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
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Posted By ChrisE8 on 12/06/2020 12:49 PM
Posted By GenoS on 12/06/2020 12:48 PM
Posted By ChrisE8 on 12/06/2020 11:51 AM
I don't quite understand but the way to avoid a future problem is to be clear with the HOA on what you plan to do, and have the HOA clearly approve it.

What you plan to do is important but what's more important is what the next owner may want to do. I think it's something that should be purused as a deed restriction going forward.


You mean a note on the deed specifically allowing the proposed use? If a HOA wanted to add a restriction onto my deed, limiting use of my property, I'd be mad.

While not a lawyer I believe there is a method for a property owner to add a Deed Restriction that goes forward with the sale of the property. Thus the HOA would not be adding it.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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Hmmmm ....

Given an agreeable ARC, I would probably require the outbuilding to be connected via breezeway, etc, so that it was part of the main house.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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If not too much of a burden, perhaps post exactly what it says (verbatim) from your governing documents about the 1 main house and 1 guest house. That may help with some more answers and ideas from folks here.
NancyE7 (Texas)
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Thank you.
NancyE7 (Texas)
Posts: 4
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Thanks everyone for your replies..
We talked this morning and they are concerned about us renting the house out in the future should something happen to my in-laws.
Their opinion is such that if they are living their permanently it violates it being a quest house.
We have decided that we are not going to build the guest house at this time.
Most likely we will sell our house and buying something that will accommodate all family members.
With the environment of today's world being as it is; it just makes sense to consolidate our family into one.

Thank you again for your time and replies.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Thank you for the update.

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