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GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Hi All,

My current HOA - 659 single family homes, clubhouse, pool, etc.

Two weeks ago, with 45 days left until the end of year and 50 days prior to annual meeting in January, the current board coordinated a vote to oust the current president. Followed procedure, but IMO was due to her being aggressive, following the rules and not bowing to the pressure the good ole boys. Just an opinion.

The new president, appointed 10 seconds after the vote to oust the old president, is now dealing with multiple issues: 2020 reserve study, budget not yet resolved for 2021, deterioration of the detention pond structure, etc ... some normal, some abs normal.

Just received this yesterday as announcement for the next board meeting - thought it was "interesting" and shareable.

"There will be a NAME OF ASSOCIATION board meeting this Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:30pm. In a new board meeting style, we will conduct the first hour in a town hall like manner. The second hour will be for the board members to conduct necessary business. The entire meeting will be in open forum."

Thoughts? :-)
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
There's nothing wrong with a town hall meeting, but it really should be different from a formal business meeting where the board is supposed to be addressing agenda items and voting on them accordingly. This is assuming there IS a business portion because the town hall-like portion may go on and on till the break of dawn (as the song goes).

And if a town hall opens the meeting, what's the point of the open forum at the end? What happens if this turns into a bitch session about whatever the board voted on during the business portion and they're pressured into changing their position because some people cussed up a storm and would.not.shut.the.hell.up?

I always thought townhall meetings were designed for people to discuss an issue and brainstorm ideas on how to address it, and then those ideas could be researched and developed for later consideration by the board. Sometimes, they're used to provide detailed information on an issue (e.g. explaining the findings of a reserve study).

Hope there's nothing too controversial going on in your community because this format may turn the entire board meeting (or whatever this is) into a hot mess and when stuff isn't done, people will get angrier and sack the rest of the board and beg the former president to return.

She may have been aggressive, but life shows that people (mostly men) have a really hard time dealing with confident women who get to the point, aren't afraid to express themselves, and don't fall for BS. Even worse if she had the nerve to - follow the rules and run the board meeting like the professional setting it's supposed to be.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgeS21 on 12/01/2020 8:01 AM
Just received this yesterday as announcement for the next board meeting - thought it was "interesting" and shareable.

"There will be a NAME OF ASSOCIATION board meeting this Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:30pm. In a new board meeting style, we will conduct the first hour in a town hall like manner. The second hour will be for the board members to conduct necessary business. The entire meeting will be in open forum."
I am balancing this against FS 720.303 (2) (b). It states:

"Members have the right to attend all meetings of the board. The right to attend such meetings includes the right to speak at such meetings with reference to all designated items. The association may adopt written reasonable rules expanding the right of members to speak and governing the frequency, duration, and other manner of member statements, which rules must be consistent with this paragraph and may include a sign-up sheet for members wishing to speak. Notwithstanding any other law, meetings between the board or a committee and the association’s attorney to discuss proposed or pending litigation or meetings of the board held for the purpose of discussing personnel matters are not required to be open to the members other than directors."

I'd say that what the announcement's "open forum" means will become the subject of debate. Else I do not see any violation of the law.

Perhaps this is a board finding its way.

At least the board appears to be following the notice requirement of 48 hours et cetera.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
George

In a time of upheaval at your association, I think the Town Hall Meeting is a great idea. Kind of let us clear the air and set a proper course. I would be all for it.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The only thought I have is that 2 hours is too long.

Most people need a break after 60 or 90 min. to continue to concentrate.

I would shorten the town hall to 30 min (with the expectation a lot of people will show up).
OR
I would put the town hall section at the end (so the board is willing to give full attention to the actual board meeting)
OR
I would hold a special meeting of the members on a separate day.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Yep - concur with the thoughts, thanks.

I don't have a problem with inviting 659 property owners to each board meeting and allowing an hour in advance of the board meeting ... just kidding ... I think combining the two is fraught with misplaced expectations :-). I like the idea of an open town hall get together, but combining with Board meeting where business must be conducted? No.

Not really upheaval, but a lot of ankle biters :-)

Shelia - your comments right on. Previous president was very effective and handled things much like I do - try and listen politely, restate adding facts, note the controlling rules, docs, and law - and proceed appropriately. From HOAs to national level politics, it is much the same - few issues with strong leadership as long as it is male, but you know this.

And, to be clear, I did not and do not believe there is a violation of any of our governing docs, or FS 720. Violation of common sense? Yes.
SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Townhall meetings are not board meetings and board meetings or not Townhall meetings. So your president needs to get his terminology straight.

The question is: how is the Townhall going to be run and by whom?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 12/01/2020 10:05 AM
The only thought I have is that 2 hours is too long.

Most people need a break after 60 or 90 min. to continue to concentrate.

I would shorten the town hall to 30 min (with the expectation a lot of people will show up).
OR
I would put the town hall section at the end (so the board is willing to give full attention to the actual board meeting)
OR
I would hold a special meeting of the members on a separate day.

Sound advice. In order to be sure any open discussion is not a shouting match limit each speaker to 2 minutes, do not allow interrupting or speaking over a speaker, designate a person(s) to oversee the meeting/rules.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
townhall meetings equal meeting suicide. It will get messages across to large group but you may want to die afterwards.

Former HOA President
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeorgeS21 on 12/01/2020 8:01 AM
Just received this yesterday as announcement for the next board meeting - thought it was "interesting" and shareable.

"There will be a NAME OF ASSOCIATION board meeting this Wednesday, December 2nd at 5:30pm. In a new board meeting style, we will conduct the first hour in a town hall like manner. The second hour will be for the board members to conduct necessary business. The entire meeting will be in open forum."

Thoughts? :-)

So the first hour is a general bitch session. I think they should define how a "town hall" meeting works. Seems a little to vague to just say "town hall style" where 100 people will have 100 different ideas about what that means. If I was going to do that, I'd put the "town hall" part of the meeting at the end. Otherwise, the first hour will get everyone whipped up into a frenzy and then expecting everyone to simmer down so that the Board may have a regular business meeting might be asking too much.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The ideas/suggestions get better. The more I think about it and as Geno said, it could be a horror show to link the "meeting" and a BOD meeting. Consider doing the "meeting" as a standalone event. A chance for the BOD to get owner suggestions/advice to aid the BOD in moving forward. I like how tha sounds.
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
Posted:
Agree with Geno & JohnC.

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