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BarbaraB4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
This statement is in our covenants and is being interpreted two different ways. I would appreciated some help in understanding what is meant. Our covenants and bylaws are over 30 years old and need attention. “Nothing herein is to be construed to prevent the grantor from placing further covenants or easements on any lot in said subdivision which shall not have already been conveyed by them.” Thank you for any and all help.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Sounds like the original "grantor" developer reserved the right to add covenants or easements to lots not already sold or coveyed. Why is this a problem 30 years later? Harold
BarbaraB4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
One of the problems is that the orginal covenants state that dues to maintain the roads is not to exceed $25.00 per year. There are over 20 miles of road that services 122 properties, with 5 to 12 acres each. There is by no means enough money to maintain the roads with so little money.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
BarbaraB4 - Capping dues for roadway maintenance at $25.00 per year should have amassed $91,500 in 30 years, any earned interest not included. This is not to suggest that you actually should have $91,500 just that math shows what $25.00 would generate. Maintenance of roadways is just one aspect of roadway funding. What about funding for replacement of roadways? Or is your HOA not distinguishing between maintenance and replacement? My roadway replacement for just 2 miles of roads is $387,000 to be done every 15 years. Roadway sealcoat is $38,000 to be done every 5 years. 20 miles of roadway could be 10 times the costs I've provided.

Are the roadways dedicated for public use, or are they private and the HOA is responsible to replace them? If so, your HOA could be in for some incredible financial responsibility. Don't want to scare you but if your HOA was in my neck of the woods you would be looking at a one lump sum replacement cost of $3,870,000 or apprx $31,721.00 per unit owner. If that cost was spread out per unit (122) over 30 years and then monthly it would be $88.11 per month for roadway repair funding.

How do you know there not enough money to maintain the roads in your HOA? Is there an empirical study that was done for your HOA by an engineering firm with expertise in capital reserve replacement plans?
BarbaraB4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The orginal grantor had turned the HOA over to the BOD when they were done selling the land. The land covers two mountains and our private roads run through/around the mountains. The roads are dirt/gravel, not paved and have over the years received little to no maintenance. Problems include washout, narrowing passages making them unsafe. The subdivision also has what is known as a "low water bridge" that at times is unpassable and is always unsafe, leaving property owners unable to travel in or out. I became the HOA president (no one wanted it) in just a year after moving here with little to no knowledge of the over all road conditions. The section I live in has been the easiest to maintain as it is the smallest, and road conditions are acceptabe. However, the other two sections need a lot of road work. I as well as others feel that it is long over due and time to make changes towards improving the subdivision. This would mean that the much "feared" process of amending would have to be done. There are some that feel that the statement in question means that we can not amend, due to contract law. Before I sign a check to the lawyer, I was hoping that someone else may have knowledge of what this statement means. Please know that the information that I have received from the replies is much needed and appreciated!
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Barbara, you stated “Nothing herein is to be construed to prevent the grantor from placing further covenants or easements on any lot in said subdivision which shall not have already been conveyed by them.” Unless the developer still owns properties this statement is obsolete. It has nothing to do with your current problem.

Meanwhile your statement "the orginal covenants state that dues to maintain the roads is not to exceed $25.00 per year. There are over 20 miles of road .." illustrates your problem. Your HOA can try to amend the Covenants to remove the cap of $25/year which appears to be inadequate to maintain 20 miles of road.

Your comment makes me wonder. Is do you pay DUES(voluntary) or an ASSESSMENT(manditory)? Is the $25 just part of a larger assessment? The reason I ask is because the bridge and other maintenance, which can be considered separate from "roads", may be budgeted separate from road maintenance and paid from assessments which are not capped.
BarbaraB4 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Roger,
The $25.00 is an assessment and to be used for road maintenance for the entire subdivision. There are no other dues or even fines if you violate covenants/bylaws. You are on your own to complain and or sue. Nothing addresses, improvements, bridge work, admin. cost, common property or funds to pay taxes on the common property. The condition of the bridge is such that if it is covered by water/ice, emergency vehicles could not pass over it either.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Roger and all,
This seems to be a prime example of why there should be a "CC&r Committee or at least some document requiring the documents be reviewed frequently and a "live" program that would list changes needed because of changing demands or changing events that need to be addressed, as far as how they impact the documents.

Barbara,
The task of re-writing your documents may go easier if your approach the project piece meal.
Form a committee, have each read documents and list gross defects (outdated or not applicable any more). Committee gets together and meets with lawyer to discuss gross changes and pencil out deletions. Then each committee member takes the same one section to go thru and pencils changes, then set this aside and go do the next section. When finished compare notes and make pencil changes, discuss how these changes effect rest of document, create rough draft and submit to lawyer for opinion. Then work on his suggestions until you get a working document, then final visit to lawyer.
It is hard work and difficult but doable. And always remember when you finish, the next day you will say, "we should have changed ........"
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Barbara, I agree with Robert. Check you CC&Rs to determine how they be amended. If they are silent on this, there may be a state statute which applies. Otherwise you will need an experienced HOA attorney.

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