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NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
I am a member of an HOA in Florida. We have an election of officers coming up in December. Due to an Increase in Covid cases in our community,
Our clubhouse and all other amenities are shut down. Three of our seven board are sick. Our regular HOA meeting is scheduled on Nov 10. We have requested the board move it up a week to the 17th. My question is this: can we legally have the vote without a regular HOA meeting and how would that work if we cannot open our clubhouse. Can the vote legally be moved to January? I chair the election committee and am at a loss as to how to handle the situation. Are any of you faced with this situation?
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
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You just hold the meeting in person with only a handful of people there, socially distanced, and get proxies from enough others to achieve a quorum. If your bylaws (or Florida law does) allow meetings by videoconference, you hold the meeting solely through Zoom or the like.
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
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The USPS still works - mail proxies for quorum and ballots for electing Directors.

Officers are elected by Directors, usually at a Board meeting immediately following the Membership meeting.

Don't make it hard - follow distancing and safety guidelines and make it work.

On line options are also available, and can be use to simply provide certainty for proxies - but may not really be necessary if one coordinates wisely, follows the process for elections, etc.
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
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NormaB3, can you say whether this is a condo or non-condo? The reason I ask is that Florida has a statute for condominiums (FS 718) and a statute for non-condo HOAs (FS 720). It saves people here a lot of time if there is only one statute to check.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Norma

Are you talking about a BOD Meeting where BOD Members will elect the BOD Officers?

If so, easily done by US Mail. Might even be done in a conference calls. After all it is just for BOD Officers. Also if there are Officers in place, why the urgency to vote?
KerryL1 (California)
Posts: 14,550
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Norma, please clarify Augustin's question and whether the election if for officers or directors
AugustinD
Posts: 5,144
Posted:
Ditto JohnC46's and KerryL1's questions re officers.

Norma, be aware that officers and directors are not necessarily one and the same.
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Homeowners associiation
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Directors
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
No general election of directions by majority vote of members. No proxies allowed by our governing documents.
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
No general election of directions by majority vote of members. No proxies allowed by our governing documents.
GenoS (Florida)
Posts: 4,276
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Posted By ChrisE8 on 11/26/2020 6:54 AM
You just hold the meeting in person with only a handful of people there, socially distanced, and get proxies from enough others to achieve a quorum. If your bylaws (or Florida law does) allow meetings by videoconference, you hold the meeting solely through Zoom or the like.

That's the thing. Florida law does not allow for HOA members to attend a homeowners' meeting remotely through electronic means (telephone conference call or Zoom video, for instance). The law does allow Directors to attend Board meetings remotely, but there's nothing even remotely similar with respect to owners and Members' Meetings.

Where HOAs are concerned, Florida's HOA statute FS720 is completely different than the condo statute FS 718 regarding elections. An election may not even be necessary, although if one is, it must be held in conjunction with the Annual Meeting. Other than that, the Florida HOA statute defers to an association's Bylaws on virtually every detail of election procedures.

Most attorneys in Florida seem to think that a Board doing the best it can to cope with the difficult circumstances posed by COVID-19 will not face the wrath of any judge or arbitrator should a dispute arise. That's also up to interpretation where "doing the best you can" is concerned. One board's "we've asked our attorney and she recommends we hold a Zoom meeting", is another board's "we don't even know how to turn a computer on and we're definitely not paying our attorney hundereds of dollars for an opinion regarding something we're not going to do anyway".

"Do the best you can" is fraught with problems.
ChrisE8
Posts: 454
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Posted By GenoS on 11/26/2020 2:07 PM
Posted By ChrisE8 on 11/26/2020 6:54 AM
You just hold the meeting in person with only a handful of people there, socially distanced, and get proxies from enough others to achieve a quorum. If your bylaws (or Florida law does) allow meetings by videoconference, you hold the meeting solely through Zoom or the like.

That's the thing. Florida law does not allow for HOA members to attend a homeowners' meeting remotely through electronic means (telephone conference call or Zoom video, for instance).

What the law means is that if someone attends via Zoom, the person isn't counted as "there".

That's why you get enough proxies from everyone to get a quorum that way, through proxies.

You allow access via Zoom just as a courtesy, so people can know what's going on. But for voting and quorum purposes, what counts are the proxies, not attendance via Zoom.

I stand by my recommendation.
AugustinD
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Posted By GenoS on 11/26/2020 2:07 PM
"Do the best you can" is fraught with problems.
If you are talking about attempting membership meetings during the pandemic, I think the only problems could be that someone threatens the HOA with litigation:

-- (A) for not holding an in-person meeting, but instead holding a zoom and phone meeting, because this violates the covenants.

-- (B) for holding an in-person meeting, in disregard of state guidelines or possibly state orders, and at risk to people's health; and requiring considerable expense to disinfect the place where the meeting is held.

-- (C) for not holding any membership meeting.

"Fraught with problems" is not a phrase I would use to characterize these choices. A board chooses the least damaging choice, which I think is clearly (A)
JohnC77 (California)
Posts: 562
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I thought in Florida, under the trusted leadership of Gov Ron DeSantis, large gatherings were allowed, even encouraged.
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
This is aHOA
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
That is what we are doing. We have outside space with seating to accommodate. Only a small percentage of our members usually show up for meetings which sad. We have nothing on our agenda requiring a vote of the membership so we should be okay
NormaB3 (Florida)
Posts: 45
Posted:
That is what we are doing. We have outside space with seating to accommodate. Only a small percentage of our members usually show up for meetings which sad. We have nothing on our agenda requiring a vote of the membership so we should be okay

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