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TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
Posted:
We have some residents who drive their cars as fast as they can in and out of the entry/exit gates and through the streets of our community. We do not have posted speed limits. We believe that won't stop the few who don't care and will look unsightly to those how do care. The speeders are mainly the teenage sons, daughters and friends of residents.
What is/are the most proper and effective methods to deal with this ?
Thanks for your help.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Speed bumps?
MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Maybe they think that they have a flash pass, but it's inevitable here...As much as people hate them, you may have to add some speed bumps right before the entry/exit gates, or add some stop signs at these gates, or at the intersections if they don't already exist. It may time to place at least one sign at the entrance stating that the speed limit is 25MPH throughout the community. Identify who's guest is speeding and send them a C&D letter.
What state are you in? What do the docs say about speed limits? anything? Maybe it's time for a resolution that addressing speeding and/or parking in nec. It' going to be a little difficult to enforce speed limits if it's not posted.. I would think.
TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
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Posted By DJ1 on 10/15/2007 8:11 AM
Speed bumps?

Absolutely not. Those are effective, but why punish everyone because of the few morons.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
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We fought the idea for years, consulted with VDOT engineers, and then after one of our residents ran down a pedestrian while driving on the wrong side of the road at about 40MPH in order to cut a corner. The impact knocked our resident pedestrian up in the air, did a 360 mid air, broke his hip, and leg in two places. The next week, the speed bumps and stop signs went in right away, since the Board was now about to be sued possibly as excess. It didn't help that the insured vehicle was carrying mininum statuatory limits on an assigned risk policy. At least for now, it might be time for traffic calming devices like stop signs. You say that you live in a gated community, but I take it that the gates are always open. If there that much traffic that an access gate cannot be left closed until the vehicle comes through? Camera's already installed?
TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
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The gates are not always open, however we have been issued remotes which these kids have learned, can open the gates soon enough in advance that they can hit the open gates running. The remotes only open the gates upon entry. The street sensors open the exits gates from the inside. What do you mean by camera's ?
We were considering, at least, a letter to the homeowner(s).
TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
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Posted By MikeS1 on 10/15/2007 8:15 AM
Maybe they think that they have a flash pass, but it's inevitable here...As much as people hate them, you may have to add some speed bumps right before the entry/exit gates, or add some stop signs at these gates, or at the intersections if they don't already exist. It may time to place at least one sign at the entrance stating that the speed limit is 25MPH throughout the community. Identify who's guest is speeding and send them a C&D letter.
What state are you in? What do the docs say about speed limits? anything? Maybe it's time for a resolution that addressing speeding and/or parking in nec. It' going to be a little difficult to enforce speed limits if it's not posted.. I would think.

The speed limit sign at the entrance makes sense to me.
The letter is the least that we should do.
We are in Arizona. I'll check our CC&R's for the exact wording.
I agree that enforcing a speed limit that isn't posted would indeed be tough.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
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What I mean by cameras?.. is Surveilance Cameras. Some gated communities record who goes in and out. I would think that if they are speeding through the gates, you could use the surveilance footage to prove your point, or perhaps reduce the output or range of the remotes so that they only work when you get closer. Good luck.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
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Posted By TerryV on 10/15/2007 8:17 AM
Posted By DJ1 on 10/15/2007 8:11 AM
Speed bumps?


Absolutely not. Those are effective, but why punish everyone because of the few morons.

Everyone won't be punished if they are going the speed limit that you claim is the problem! The 'appropriate' hump will not affect the vehicles doing the speed limit but will be noticed by the speeders.
TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
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Posted By DJ1 on 10/15/2007 8:58 AM
Posted By TerryV on 10/15/2007 8:17 AM
Posted By DJ1 on 10/15/2007 8:11 AM
Speed bumps?


Absolutely not. Those are effective, but why punish everyone because of the few morons.


Everyone won't be punished if they are going the speed limit that you claim is the problem! The 'appropriate' hump will not affect the vehicles doing the speed limit but will be noticed by the speeders.

Agreed, but most humps I see do not match the speed limit.
MikeS1
Posts: 668
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Try the simple stuff first.. Speed bumps are expensive to install, expensive to maintain, hated by most (to include the fire dept), and it's unneccesary wear and tear on vehicles. There are also speed "humps" which only affect the speeders. They are wider and have less of a gradient. good luck.
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
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TerryV - Whether speed signs are liked or not, the association should post them to show a good faith effort to inform the speeders. A notice to all owners should go out advising of the speeding, that serious fines will be imposed, and that it will not be tolerated. The front gate guards should take the license plate #'s down of the speeders and stop them when the leave (if they can) and advise them that speeding will not be tolerated.
TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thanks everyone,
We have no mention in our CC&R's of a speed limit within our gates. So we are going to decide on a speed limit and notify all residents. We will probably post a speed limit sign. And we have isolated a couple of offenders and are going to notify them directly that we have observed them driving too fast.

(Our entry gate is all automatic, no attendant on duty.)
MikeS1
Posts: 668
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Just a suggestion from years of experience. Direct verbal communication doesn't seem to be very effective, since most folks may take offense, or get defensive, or develop descretionary memory syndrome. If you don't put it in writing, it never happened. Written communication seems to work so much better. "Just a reminder.... or We need your help....etc,.. please obey the speed limit, yada yada, but also suggest passing a written resolution so that it's part of the docs. I'm probably preaching to the choir here. Take care.
TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
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Indeed we will do it in writing. Certified letter to the offenders and mailed letter to all homeowners.
JohnC10 (Arizona)
Posts: 106
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Posted By TerryV on 10/15/2007 8:17 AM
Posted By DJ1 on 10/15/2007 8:11 AM
Speed bumps?

Absolutely not. Those are effective, but why punish everyone because of the few morons.

Speed bumps save lives. Make em a little higher too as the lowered ricers have to go really slow as not to bottom out. Your typical soccer mom minivan or SUV will have no problem negotiating it.
TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
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We can start with the letter(s) and stress that if speeding continues to be a problem then the next level of control will be speed humps. We were quoted $1600 to $2000 for each hump. WOW, that might be enough to get peoples attention.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
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TerryV: ..."So we are going to decide on a speed limit and notify all residents. We will probably post a speed limit sign. And we have isolated a couple of offenders and are going to notify them directly that we have observed them driving too fast..."

Deciding on an appropriate speed limit and posting a sign is in order.
However, what do you intend to do to those who continue to drive over the speed limit?

Does your association have the ability to fine for violations? You may want to think about communicating the fact that the Board has initiated a speed limit within the community which has been added to the list of rules & regulations and also state what the fine will be (if you are able to fine) for those in violation. There will always be those who will defy the rule/s and you want to have your bases covered.

TerryV (Arizona)
Posts: 12
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Posted By PaulM on 10/15/2007 2:48 PM

However, what do you intend to do to those who continue to drive over the speed limit?

Does your association have the ability to fine for violations? You may want to think about communicating the fact that the Board has initiated a speed limit within the community which has been added to the list of rules & regulations and also state what the fine will be (if you are able to fine) for those in violation. There will always be those who will defy the rule/s and you want to have your bases covered.


Good point. We do issue fines for other violations.
NancyD1 (Florida)
Posts: 447
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We had a situation as Mike. A homeowner plowed down a landscaper that was using the blowing machine on the side of the road. Broken wrist and two broken ribs later we put in speed bumps and humps. They cost us between $600-800 each and well worth it. Before, we ID'ed speeders with remote cameras on the property. They were issued warnings then fines and finally although we are a private community we called in the police to patrol. They charged, but they also wrote 36 tickets in one day. There was not one complaint from the homeowners, even the ones who got cited.

We still have the occasional speeder but now his undercarriage is slightly altered because of the humps. Now if we could only figure out how to get the crazy naked drunk lady on her round about electric wheel chair to stop terrorizing us.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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Posted By JohnC10 on 10/15/2007 12:54 PM
Posted By TerryV on 10/15/2007 8:17 AM
Posted By DJ1 on 10/15/2007 8:11 AM
Speed bumps?

Absolutely not. Those are effective, but why punish everyone because of the few morons.

Speed bumps save lives. Make em a little higher too as the lowered ricers have to go really slow as not to bottom out. Your typical soccer mom minivan or SUV will have no problem negotiating it.

Just remember that speed bumps slow people down and can save lives, but it can also work in reverse. If you are having a stroke or heart attack where seconds count it will slow down that ambulance and first responder. Or if someone is trying to break into your home it will slow down the police. Of if your house is on fire it will slow down the fire trucks.

I agree with the one poster, start with some smaller things, maybe signage, maybe a letter to the parents, fine the parents if possible. You can always put in speed bumps later.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Every Developement has these kinds of people who will not obey speed limits. Your problem is that you do not have speed limits posted. Why Not?. We contacted our County Sheriff and had them give us their requirements for them to monitor speeders and this is what we had to do.

Since we are gated, we had to sign a contract with the Sheriff's Dept. as to patroling the gated community.

We had to purchase and install speed limit signs which were the minimum speed for patrolling---25 mph.

The deputies appeared from behind our Guard shack and issued 17 warnings and 4 tickets in the first 3 hours of patroling.
The phone calls were hot and heavy to our P.M. and Board members, asking stupid questions and I do mean stupid. Such as "Do I have to pay it?, Why did they stop me? I always go thru the stop signs and no one cared before."
After a couple of months, everyone decided to start to obey the road rules. Now, we just have an occasional drive thru by the Deputy and everyone got the message so we are free of this problem.
ElbyJ
Posts: 29
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Within the state of Texas, and specifically within Guadalupe County and the City of Schertz, by code all gated communities are considered to be private property. Therefore, in the event of an abundance of speeders, we cannot ask for law enforcement assistance since our designated speed limit is under 20 MPH throughout the community. Yes, we have a speeding problem, but from my viewpoint 85-90% of the speeders live in the community. Other homeowners seem to think all the speeders are just visitors. When the subdivision was established 13 years ago, a 15MPH sign was posted prior to entry gate and several locations within the subdivision. We are currently going through a lot of issues between homeowners and the city in determining what rules can be enforced. Our CC&R's, as developed by the home developers, are extremely weak and we have found the majority of them cannot be enforced. Our biggest issue is the CC&R's and other HOA documents were not written for a gated community, but a public accessible area.
DanielG5 (Oregon)
Posts: 1
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Thanks for all the dialog.

Our gated community has about 4 miles of private roads and 85 lots. It is a great place to walk, and complaints occur when cars pass the walkers too closely or too quickly. We've had tons of Board Meeting discussions, with the loudest complainers refusing to participate in identifying the violators or to help craft a solution.

Speed bumps or speed tables are not the answer. We've had experts present possible solutions at our Annual Meetings, and their advise is the speeders will pick-up speed between bumps. We've added more speed limit signs and wrote about it in our monthly newsletter. We've considered hiring a monitor with a camera and radar gun to document who's speeding, but haven't had any complaints since the additional signs went in. It appears, in our case, this issue is best handled through educating the HOA membership.

But we still have two lot owners who recently resurfaced and have starting complaining again. Please provide me your advice - should 2 owners drive the HOA's agenda and expenditures? How do we deal with their negative approach and behavior, especially when they refuse to provide the Board with specific information or descriptions of the vehicles speeding?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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Ask the police to patrol more often. Send a letter to all the members "due to increased speeding the police will be patrolling regularly and issuing tickets, thank you for slowing down"

Maybe look into buying your own cheap speed camera. While you can issue tickets to known home owners, you wont be able to do much to visitors.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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But we still have two lot owners who recently resurfaced and have starting complaining again. Please provide me your advice - should 2 owners drive the HOA's agenda and expenditures? How do we deal with their negative approach and behavior, especially when they refuse to provide the Board with specific information or descriptions of the vehicles speeding?

Thank them for their input but politely remind them that since they are unable or unwilling to provide the Board with information on who is violating the CC&R's then the Board is unable to properly investigate the matter. Then turn it back on them, ask them for their input on how to curb the alleged speeding.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
DennisT (Ohio)
Posts: 109
Posted:
I'm late to the party as usual, but check your state laws. Here in Ohio private communities are permitted to have local law enforcement enforce speed limits so long as the speed limit is at least 25 MPH (the standard for residential areas in Ohio).

When we lived in the condo it was a moot point because it was impossible to get up to 25 MPH before having to make at least one 90 degree turn; the design of the property pretty much kept speeds down.

In our HOA we had a few straightaways where people would really crank it up. We requested the police department to drop off their speed trailer a few times and they did. These are the trailers that say "Your speed XX MPH" They don't take pictures or anything but they do let people know how fast they're going. After a few weeks of this we published the relevant Revised Code section that allows police to ticket in private developments and indicated that we were putting the finishing touches on a patrol agreement. The city was then kind enough to send an auxiliary officer out randomly for a month or so and people got the message pretty quickly.

Eventually it got to the point where we just had to have the trailers come by every few months along with an accompanying reminder the newsletter that the local PD can and does enforce traffic laws on the property.
CoralF (Iowa)
Posts: 4
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I know that in one of my neighborhoods a police officer moved in. This helped initially actually but after the kids saw he wasn't doing anything, because when he was around home he was off duty, they started back up. He noticed the problem and then patrolled and had a couple others drive through the neighborhood who had gave a couple of tickets--much better now.

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