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DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Our new (half developed) community is divided into an All Ages side and a 55+ side. The "base" monthly fee is $85/mo, which pays for landscape service, property management, etc. We have now built a clubhouse and pool on the 55+ side, and as soon as COVID restrictions are lifted so we can use it, the 55+ side will see their fee go up $20/month. We also have a clubhouse and pool on the All Ages side, which the 55+ members can also utilize. When it is completed everybody/s fee will go up another $12/month. So it can be broken down as follows:

All Ages Residents: $97 month ($85 Base plus $12 amenities)
55+ Residents: $117 month ($85 Base plus $12 main clubhouse plus $20 for the 55+ clubhouse)

My question is this. When we set our budget, should all income and expenses be broken down by these three categories, with each of those three categories balanced separately? That is, I would think if our $20/month income for the 55+ clubhouse generates $50,000 in income and only costs $40,000 to maintain, that $10k surplus should be a line item somewhere on the financials, should it not? Or is it customary to just combine everything into one big pot?

SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
You say your community's half-developed, which would indicate the developer is still running the show until the community's finished and it's turned over to the homeowners. If that's the case, it seems to me the developer needs to figure this out.

That said, are there any significant differences between the clubhouses and pools, other than their locations? If they're the same size, it might be easier to total the expenses for both and throw it all in one line item, especially if the 55+ side gets to use either one anyway. There's nothing wrong with keeping the line items separate either - this way, the seniors won't grumble about subsidizing the other side because it's used more or vice versa.


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DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
The 55+ amenities are significantly smaller.

My main question is what is considered good accounting practice. I would think the Income side should have three main categories: one for the main operating expenses, one for the All Ages amenities, and one for the 55+ amenities; and the Expense side should have the same three main categories -- and those categories should balance:

Main Operating Fund: $200,000 income, $200,000 expense
All Ages Clubhouse Fund: $50,000 income, $50,000 expense
55+ Clubhouse Fund: $30,000 income, $30,000 expense

Clearly this would be a good idea, but I'm not sure if it is a financial accounting requirement, or if it is considered best practices. Or is it common for them to just be all in one big bucket with no balancing between the funds.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
btw - thanks for taking time to respond!
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I think that would depend on the community, but now that you say the 55+ amenities are smaller, I agree that it would be easier to just keep everything separate. The best answer will likely come from an accountant, so if you haven't already spoken to one, do it.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
Reserves need to be taken into account. All of the amenities have a life span and when they fail will need to be repaired or replaced. It is never to early to get a Reserve Study started and funded.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Good point regarding reserves. Thanks!
GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
MarkM provided the key follow up ... the question relating to income vs cost or maintenance is not relevant unless the cost of replastering, new pumps, new treatment systems, new filter systems, new coping, new decking and/or repairs for each is not considered via a reserve component cost.
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Thanks.

I'm still curious to know if HOA's usually account for each fund separately, or if they just go into a single bucket.
MarkM19 (Texas)
Posts: 1,459
Posted:
David,
Your association makes it more complicated. The answers are not cut and dried. I
Here are some questions that may help us understand your community.

1) It sounds like your are still under developer control is the the case?
2) How many units are on both sides?
3) Do you have 1 board or 2?
4) Does each side have separate CC&Rs and By-Laws?
DavidG45 (Delaware)
Posts: 994
Posted:
Thanks. Here are the answers:

Yes, it is still under developer control. However, the property management company placed a "newbie" at our property, so she is learning as she goes. We are working on next year's budget and I would like to start it off correctly rather than just accept whatever she comes up with; because I'm the one who has to respond to homeowners that have questions about it. I want to make sure some account in the community doesn't find problems with our accounting.

There will be about 400 on the all ages side, and about 200 on the 55+ side. Each side is over halfway complete.

We have just one board, one set of documents, etc.

GeorgeS21 (Florida)
Posts: 3,808
Posted:
Based on the answers, I would probably set up accounting as if it was simply a community with two pools - or, like in our community, an adult pool and a kiddie pool ... assessments collected, all go into income bucket, reserves allocated based on a reserve study with pool components handled the same, just scheduled differently.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
David,

What do your covenants say about the cost of common amenities?
This will be your guide on how to set up the assessments.
Remember, for a clubhouse, you will have:

Additional insurance
utilities
regular maintenance (cleaning at least)
Reserves for expected repairs/replacements (roof for example)
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
David

With two sides and different dues/expenses per side, I can see situations when neither side is going to be happy. I would be looking for an accounting method to keep things apart, at least on paper. I think this might be a relatively easy question for a CPA.

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